Re: [sudo-discuss] johnny ban / process?

Also, that all happened and was awful, but he's been asked to leave for repeatedly breaking the safe space policy in other ways, including assault. On Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 11:30 AM Lesley Bell &lt;zvezdalune(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > I find it kind of humiliating that this has to be so public. I feel that > it shows poor judgement on my part to have ignored and suppressed my own > feelings for so long in this situation. The humorless feminist straw man is > a scary thing to be policed with, if I have an excuse. I give people the > benefit of the doubt, I accept a lot of communication styles, so I laughed > the first half dozen or so times he called me something awful in a way that > was plausibly-kidding-but-really-not. > > And that's how I wound up spending months getting harassed, having my > sleep disturbed, by someone who felt entitled to treat me any way he liked. > Who respected my physical autonomy so little that he could threaten to hurt > me, and laugh when I was afraid, and touch me when I told him not to. > > Marina, we never agreed to that. I agreed to have some understanding of > Johnny's position of not remembering one thing he said due to being very > drunk, and acknowledging that there might be other factors at play, but > that's absolutely what happened. > > There was no talk of me being evicted or kicked out until he drunkenly > told me he'd "almost kicked me out like three times over sexual tension." > He doesn't remember this, but he said it. > > His email that tells me to get out was a direct reply to my email telling > him his behavior was inappropriate and scary and needed to stop. > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 11:10 AM Lesley Bell &lt;zvezdalune(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Marina, >> >> I appreciate your offer, and your past willingness to mediate. However, >> due to the results of the past mediation, I am not comfortable having you >> mediate at this time. >> >> Your repeated suggestion that Johnny might just be joking and I should >> reframe his insults/harassment as humor did not prove to be helpful, as >> evidenced by his subsequent criminal breaking and entering and physical >> assault. I also did not feel that his words in your presence were sincere, >> as he repeated some of his inappropriate behavior very soon afterward. >> >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 10:56 AM Marc Juul &lt;juul(a)labitat.dk&gt; wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Marina Kukso &lt;marina.kukso(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> aside from any other issues, i sincerely doubt that this is a game to >>>> johnny given that he wants to participate in the space.. >>>> >>>> let's focus on "restorative" instead of "retributive" - johnny seems >>>> (to me) to want to follow the process in a good faith way. for anyone who >>>> is more familiar with the omni and sudo remediation process than i am, any >>>> ideas on how to move forward from here? >>>> >>> >>> Accusations are one thing but the way people choose to respond to >>> accusations is usually a very good predictor of whether they end up with a >>> resolved conflict and regaining access to the space. >>> >>> After Johnny's comments in this thread I predict that he will not be >>> allowed back any time soon. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 7:24 AM, robb &lt;sf99er(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> #swish? >>>>> >>>>> really, this is all just a game to you johnny? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer < >>>>> patrikd(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Johnny, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it true that Lesley's has a temporary restraining order against >>>>>> you? That seems to rise above mere "gossip and accusations", and seems like >>>>>> it would be substantial enough to trigger at least a temporary ban. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, it's the nature of interpersonal conflicts that there may not >>>>>> be any more than "accusations" available to make a decision on. So if >>>>>> someone states that they feel unsafe around another person, it may be >>>>>> justified to remove that other person from the space at least temporarily, >>>>>> until a better informed decision can be reached. >>>>>> >>>>>> Patrik >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2016 2:16 AM, "Johnny" &lt;mostmodernist(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> that link says if "someone's safety is at risk, a temporary ban may >>>>>> be placed". it says nothing about how, and obviously is meant to deal with >>>>>> clear present safety issues, not gossip and accusations. >>>>>> >>>>>> abusing that vague apparatus of the super-system to ban people on >>>>>> mere claims is totally fascist and supremacist behavior. >>>>>> >>>>>> defending it is also fascist. >>>>>> >>>>>> calling out for the record that Marc, Matt, Cere, Sigma, Jeremy are >>>>>> fascists for consent to abuse system and unjustly override process without >>>>>> sudo quorum; ya'll better not step on any cracks! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Marc Juul &lt;juul(a)labitat.dk&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Johnny &lt;mostmodernist(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marc, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No quorum you say? Sub-Section 3.2.2 "Maintaining Safe Space >>>>>>>> During Conflict Resolution" states that my ban would have had to been >>>>>>>> ratified online without quorum. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The sudo room space, being part of Omni, is also subject to all >>>>>>> Omni rules, including the Omni safer space policy which I linked previously. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> marc/juul >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>