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Andrew

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Max B

30 May 30 May

12:49 p.m.

Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more admirable goal than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet project (with $3mil...) http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1 On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote:

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These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay sheep for Burning Man http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awes… So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 http://roshambomedia.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Andrew

1:27 p.m.

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Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more admirable goal than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet project (with $3mil...) http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/1869987317/wish-i-**was-here-1<htt… On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote:

These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay sheep for Burning Man http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** ass-amazingly-awesome-**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/proj… So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 http://roshambomedia.com ______________________________**_________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.**org <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.…

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Max B

1:44 p.m.

"Also Burning Man does not need queering."... what makes you say that? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote:

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No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is way less admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd funded movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding has done to the creativity of film. Also Burning Man does not need queering. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more admirable goal than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet project (with $3mil...) http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1> On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay sheep for Burning Man http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-… <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awesome-homosexual-sheep> So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> http://roshambomedia.com _________________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 http://roshambomedia.com

Jehan Tremback

1:52 p.m.

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Drama incoming... On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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"Also Burning Man does not need queering."... what makes you say that? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote:

On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay sheep for Burning Man http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** __ass-amazingly-awesome-__**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/… <http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** ass-amazingly-awesome-**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/proj…

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Max B

1:57 p.m.

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Drama incoming... On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... what makes you say that? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is way less admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd funded movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding has done to the creativity of film. Also Burning Man does not need queering. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.__com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>> wrote: Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more admirable goal than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet project (with $3mil...) http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1 <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1>> On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay sheep for Burning Man http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/391007482/baaahs-big-____ass-amazin… <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awesome-homosexual-sheep>> So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> http://roshambomedia.com ___________________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.____org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/____listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> http://roshambomedia.com _________________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>

Andrew

1:59 p.m.

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Agreed with Max, Let's not go down the Burning Man Hole... Now lets all look at these owl cats http://www.buzzfeed.com/kevintang/owls-with-cat-heads-are-totally-creepy-cu… On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Drama incoming... On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com> wrote:

"Also Burning Man does not need queering."... what makes you say that? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote:

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Jehan Tremback

2:04 p.m.

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NO. I hate sudo room >:-| On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: > Drama incoming... > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.**com <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com>>> wrote: > > "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... > > what makes you say that? > > > On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: > > No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is > way less > admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd funded > movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding has > done to the creativity of film. > > Also Burning Man does not need queering. > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B > <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.**com<maxb.personal@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.__**com > > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.**com <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com>>>> > wrote: > > Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more > admirable goal > than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet > project > (with $3mil...) > > http://www.kickstarter.com/___**_projects/1869987317/wish-i-__** > __was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-_… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/1869987317/wish-i-__** > was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was… > > > > > > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/1869987317/wish-i-__** > was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/1869987317/wish-i-** > was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-her… > >> > > > On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: > > These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay > sheep for > Burning Man > > http://www.kickstarter.com/___**_projects/391007482/baaahs-** > big-____ass-amazingly-awesome-**____homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstar… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** > __ass-amazingly-awesome-__**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/… > > > > > > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** > __ass-amazingly-awesome-__**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** > ass-amazingly-awesome-**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/proj… > >> > > So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> > <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> > http://roshambomedia.com > > > > ______________________________**_____________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__**__org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__s**udoroom.org<http://sudoroom.org> > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.**sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > >> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/____**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudor… > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> > > > > > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> > >> > > > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> > http://roshambomedia.com > > ______________________________**___________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__**org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.**sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/__**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroo… > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> > > > > >

Andrew

2:11 p.m.

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NO. I hate sudo room >:-| On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: > Drama incoming... > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.**com <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com>>> wrote: > > "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... > > what makes you say that? > > > On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: > > No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is > way less > admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd funded > movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding > has > done to the creativity of film. > > Also Burning Man does not need queering. > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B > <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.**com<maxb.personal@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.__**com > > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.**com <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com>>>> > wrote: > > Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more > admirable goal > than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet > project > (with $3mil...) > > http://www.kickstarter.com/___**_projects/1869987317/wish-i-__** > __was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-_… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/1869987317/wish-i-__** > was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was… > > > > > > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/1869987317/wish-i-__** > was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/1869987317/wish-i-** > was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-her… > >> > > > On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: > > These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay > sheep for > Burning Man > > http://www.kickstarter.com/___**_projects/391007482/baaahs-** > big-____ass-amazingly-awesome-**____homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstar… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** > __ass-amazingly-awesome-__**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/… > > > > > > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** > __ass-amazingly-awesome-__**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** > ass-amazingly-awesome-**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/proj… > >> > > So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> > <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> > http://roshambomedia.com > > > > ______________________________**_____________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__**__org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__s**udoroom.org<http://sudoroom.org> > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.**sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > >> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/____**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudor… > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> > > > > > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> > >> > > > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> > http://roshambomedia.com > > ______________________________**___________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__**org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.**sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/__**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroo… > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> > > > > >

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Matthew Meier

2:17 p.m.

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As "a gay" I think everything needs more queering :D -Wolfy On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:

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NO. I hate sudo room >:-| On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: > Drama incoming... > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.**com <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com>>> wrote: > > "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... > > what makes you say that? > > > On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: > > No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is > way less > admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd funded > movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding > has > done to the creativity of film. > > Also Burning Man does not need queering. > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B > <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.**com<maxb.personal@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.__**com > > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.**com <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com>>>> > wrote: > > Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more > admirable goal > than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet > project > (with $3mil...) > > http://www.kickstarter.com/___**_projects/1869987317/wish-i-__* > *__was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1> > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/1869987317/wish-i-__** > was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was… > > > > > > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/1869987317/wish-i-__** > was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/1869987317/wish-i-** > was-here-1<http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-her… > >> > > > On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: > > These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay > sheep for > Burning Man > > http://www.kickstarter.com/___**_projects/391007482/baaahs-** > big-____ass-amazingly-awesome-**____homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstar… > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-* > *__ass-amazingly-awesome-__**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep> > > > > > > <http://www.kickstarter.com/__**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-* > *__ass-amazingly-awesome-__**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep> > <http://www.kickstarter.com/**projects/391007482/baaahs-big-** > ass-amazingly-awesome-**homosexual-sheep<http://www.kickstarter.com/proj… > >> > > So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> > <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> > http://roshambomedia.com > > > > ______________________________**_____________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__**__org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__s**udoroom.org<http://sudoroom.org> > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.**sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > >> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/____**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudor… > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> > > > > > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> > >> > > > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> > http://roshambomedia.com > > ______________________________**___________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__**org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.**sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/__**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroo… > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/**listinfo/sudo-discuss<http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> > > > > >

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7:55 p.m.

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As "a gay" I think everything needs more queering :D -Wolfy On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com>> wrote: This project just made $200 in the last hour. Someone at Sudo Room really wants the Big-Ass Amazingly Awesome Homosexual Sheep to have laser eyes! On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com <mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com>> wrote: NO. I hate sudo room >:-| On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: Drama incoming... On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>> wrote: "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... what makes you say that? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is way less admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd funded movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding has done to the creativity of film. Also Burning Man does not need queering. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail. <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.>__com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>>> wrote: Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more admirable goal than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet project (with $3mil...) http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1 <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1>> On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay sheep for Burning Man http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/391007482/baaahs-big-____ass-amazin… <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awesome-homosexual-sheep>> So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>>> http://roshambomedia.com ___________________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.____org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists. <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.>__sudoroom.org <http://sudoroom.org> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/____listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> http://roshambomedia.com _________________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> http://roshambomedia.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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9:22 p.m.

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NO. I hate sudo room >:-| On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: > Drama incoming... > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: > > "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... > > what makes you say that? > > > On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: > > No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is > way less > admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd > funded > movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding > has > done to the creativity of film. > > Also Burning Man does not need queering. > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B > <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.__com > > <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more > admirable goal > than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet > project > (with $3mil...) > > > http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1 > < > http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1> > > > > < > http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 > < > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1>> > > > On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: > > These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay > sheep for > Burning Man > > > http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/391007482/baaahs-big-____ass-amazin… > < > http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-… > > > > > < > http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-… > < > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awes… > >> > > So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> > <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> > http://roshambomedia.com > > > > ___________________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.____org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__sudoroom.org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/____listinfo/sudo-discuss > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> > > > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>> > > > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> > http://roshambomedia.com > > _________________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss > <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> > > >

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GtwoG PublicOhOne

10:03 p.m.

Yo Andrew, you're OK and I know you're not a homophobe. Your statements didn't come across as homophobic _at all_. Mildly sarcastic yes, homophobic no. Sarcasm is good, no apologies needed. I've seen some pretty obnoxo bits come across these tubes, including nasty ad-hominems, assertions of superiority, category put-downs, and "I refuse to hear you" stuff. Most of that seems to me to be psychological defensiveness, heated-up by dynamics such as you pointed out in your article excerpt yesterday, plus the usual outcomes of a hybridized communications medium that's part conversation, part broadcast, delayed rather than realtime, and minus all nonverbal cues. Generally the sting wears off after a few days and then it's over & done with. Contrast to: imagine if every conversation you ever had at a pub, was preserved for posterity and searchable under your name. (The idea that this stuff needs to be indexed & searchable is more than a little narcissistic: to quote someone I was hanging out with last night, are we really so important?) Knowing the person at the other end of the wire, and being able to translate their writing into their spoken voice, makes many of those issues disappear. In my mind's ear I hear you telling sheep jokes. They're not bad, for sheep jokes;-) OK, so who's going to launch a Kickstarter to build another giant gay sheep? Or how'bout a couple of giant lesbian sheep? With audio chips & speakers, so they can say to each other, "Baaa-aaa-aaa, I love ewe!" and "Baa-aa-aaa, I love ewe too!" -G. On 13-05-30-Thu 9:22 PM, Andrew wrote:

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As "a gay" I think everything needs more queering :D -Wolfy On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com>> wrote: This project just made $200 in the last hour. Someone at Sudo Room really wants the Big-Ass Amazingly Awesome Homosexual Sheep to have laser eyes! On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com <mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com>> wrote: NO. I hate sudo room >:-| On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: Drama incoming... On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>> wrote: "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... what makes you say that? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is way less admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd funded movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding has done to the creativity of film. Also Burning Man does not need queering. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail. <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.>__com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>>> wrote: Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more admirable goal than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet project (with $3mil...) http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1 <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1>> On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay sheep for Burning Man http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/391007482/baaahs-big-____ass-amazin… <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awesome-homosexual-sheep>> So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>>> http://roshambomedia.com ___________________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.____org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.____org> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists. <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.>__sudoroom.org <http://sudoroom.org> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/____listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> http://roshambomedia.com _________________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.__org> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> http://roshambomedia.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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rachel lyra hospodar

31 May 31 May

9:27 a.m.

New subject: Just a reminder of how ridiculous crowd funding is

I disagree with Gtwog's 'no apologies needed' stance, and thank Andrew profusely for his public apology. You don't need to sound homophobic to sound ignorant as hell, and you don't need to eat crow to admit you were wrong. I think it's crazy to expect not to be ignorant about each other sometimes. It's brave to admit it, and scary to me when misunderstanding or disagreement are swept under the rug. But hey, 'hacker' culture seems to include dismissing (other people's) personal discomfort as 'drama' while assuming somehow that in an open community there will be no misunderstanding. R. On May 30, 2013 10:03 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01(a)att.net> wrote:

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NO. I hate sudo room >:-| On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would > say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. > > We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project > would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? > > > On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: > >> Drama incoming... >> >> >> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... >> >> what makes you say that? >> >> >> On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: >> >> No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is >> way less >> admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd >> funded >> movies are extremely important, given what traditional >> funding has >> done to the creativity of film. >> >> Also Burning Man does not need queering. >> >> >> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B >> <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> >> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.__com >> >> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more >> admirable goal >> than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet >> project >> (with $3mil...) >> >> >> http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1 >> < >> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1> >> >> >> >> >> < >> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 >> < >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1>> >> >> >> On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: >> >> These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay >> sheep for >> Burning Man >> >> >> http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/391007482/baaahs-big-____ass-amazin… >> < >> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-… >> >> >> >> >> < >> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-… >> < >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awes… >> >> >> >> So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... >> >> -- >> ------- >> Andrew Lowe >> Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> >> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> >> http://roshambomedia.com >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.____org >> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__sudoroom.org >> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/____listinfo/sudo-discuss >> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> >> >> >> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss >> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ------- >> Andrew Lowe >> Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> >> http://roshambomedia.com >> >> _________________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org >> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss >> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> >> >> >>

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9:54 a.m.

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Is there no interest at all in hetero sheep? Don't we want to be inclusive of the entire community of giant sheep? ;-) steve On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net>wrote;wrote:

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Andrew

10:58 a.m.

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Just to bring this back full circle. My point in posting this was to point out that there are people with money willing to give that money to you with no strings attached if you have a project and a funny video. Imagine what the mesh project or sudo radio could do with $10,000. I know that lots of money does not = great project, but i would encourage some of the projects out there to think in terms of what they want to do (dream big), instead of what they can do now by scraping together parts on with a non existent budget. --Andrew On May 31, 2013 9:54 AM, "Steve Berl" <steveberl(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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This project just made $200 in the last hour. Someone at Sudo Room really wants the Big-Ass Amazingly Awesome Homosexual Sheep to have laser eyes! On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Jehan Tremback < jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com> wrote: > NO. I hate sudo room >:-| > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > >> Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would >> say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. >> >> We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project >> would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? >> >> >> On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: >> >>> Drama incoming... >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... >>> >>> what makes you say that? >>> >>> >>> On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: >>> >>> No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is >>> way less >>> admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd >>> funded >>> movies are extremely important, given what traditional >>> funding has >>> done to the creativity of film. >>> >>> Also Burning Man does not need queering. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B >>> <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.__com >>> >>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more >>> admirable goal >>> than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little >>> pet >>> project >>> (with $3mil...) >>> >>> >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1 >>> < >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> < >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 >>> < >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: >>> >>> These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay >>> sheep for >>> Burning Man >>> >>> >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/391007482/baaahs-big-____ass-amazin… >>> < >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-… >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> < >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-… >>> < >>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awes… >>> >> >>> >>> So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can >>> you... >>> >>> -- >>> ------- >>> Andrew Lowe >>> Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> >>> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> >>> http://roshambomedia.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.____org >>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__sudoroom.org >>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/____listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> >>> >>> >>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------- >>> Andrew Lowe >>> Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> >>> http://roshambomedia.com >>> >>> _________________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org >>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> >>> >>> >>> > -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 http://roshambomedia.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Steve Berl

5:55 p.m.

New subject: Just a reminder of how ridiculous crowd funding is

One important point is that kickstarter.com is not a very good way to get your project known. There are very few people out there just waiting for your project to appear so they can contribute. You MUST aggressively market your kickstarter campaign using every available channel. It is up to you to get it known via all sorts of social networks (both online and real world), personal contacts, business associates, billboards, whatever you've got. I've seen several campaigns fail miserably because the folks weren't able to get the word out well enough. -steve On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:

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I'm gay & Andrew's cool with me & has no issues with gay folks generally. Just in case anyone thinks otherwise (incoming drama-missile intercept launched). OK, so: what to do about that sheep: Start another kickstarter to build another gay sheep, so there'll be two of them and they can go out on dates together. -G. On 13-05-30-Thu 2:17 PM, Matthew Meier wrote: As "a gay" I think everything needs more queering :D -Wolfy On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>wrote;wrote: > This project just made $200 in the last hour. Someone at Sudo Room > really wants the Big-Ass Amazingly Awesome Homosexual Sheep to have laser > eyes! > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Jehan Tremback < > jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> NO. I hate sudo room >:-| >> >> >> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: >> >>> Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would >>> say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. >>> >>> We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project >>> would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? >>> >>> >>> On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: >>> >>>> Drama incoming... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com >>>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... >>>> >>>> what makes you say that? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: >>>> >>>> No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is >>>> way less >>>> admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd >>>> funded >>>> movies are extremely important, given what traditional >>>> funding has >>>> done to the creativity of film. >>>> >>>> Also Burning Man does not need queering. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B >>>> <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.__com >>>> >>>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more >>>> admirable goal >>>> than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little >>>> pet >>>> project >>>> (with $3mil...) >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1 >>>> < >>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> < >>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 >>>> < >>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: >>>> >>>> These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay >>>> sheep for >>>> Burning Man >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/391007482/baaahs-big-____ass-amazin… >>>> < >>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> < >>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-… >>>> < >>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awes… >>>> >> >>>> >>>> So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can >>>> you... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------- >>>> Andrew Lowe >>>> Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> >>>> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> >>>> http://roshambomedia.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.____org >>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__sudoroom.org >>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/____listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------- >>>> Andrew Lowe >>>> Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> >>>> http://roshambomedia.com >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org >>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttp://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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YOs- Since Kickstarter has time limits, seems to me the way to do this is to put up a website with project details, and then stir up publicity directed toward the website, before going on Kickstarter. The skill-sets and cultural variables don't often overlap between geekdom and promotional activity. So there's probably room for something like a promotional agency that can take on the task of getting the word out about projects. Major PR agencies have extensive direct personal contact with journalists. Journalists in certain areas (business, sci & tech, medicine, entertainment, etc.) rely heavily on press releases from PR agencies, for leads and stories. (For example all the news you might have seen today about the large asteroid fly-by this afternoon, was probably the result of NASA sending out press releases.) -G. On 13-05-31-Fri 5:55 PM, Steve Berl wrote:

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One important point is that kickstarter.com <http://kickstarter.com> is not a very good way to get your project known. There are very few people out there just waiting for your project to appear so they can contribute. You MUST aggressively market your kickstarter campaign using every available channel. It is up to you to get it known via all sorts of social networks (both online and real world), personal contacts, business associates, billboards, whatever you've got. I've seen several campaigns fail miserably because the folks weren't able to get the word out well enough. -steve On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com>> wrote: Just to bring this back full circle. My point in posting this was to point out that there are people with money willing to give that money to you with no strings attached if you have a project and a funny video. Imagine what the mesh project or sudo radio could do with $10,000. I know that lots of money does not = great project, but i would encourage some of the projects out there to think in terms of what they want to do (dream big), instead of what they can do now by scraping together parts on with a non existent budget. --Andrew On May 31, 2013 9:54 AM, "Steve Berl" <steveberl(a)gmail.com <mailto:steveberl@gmail.com>> wrote: Is there no interest at all in hetero sheep? Don't we want to be inclusive of the entire community of giant sheep? ;-) steve On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net <mailto:g2g-public01@att.net>> wrote: Yo Andrew, you're OK and I know you're not a homophobe. Your statements didn't come across as homophobic _at all_. Mildly sarcastic yes, homophobic no. Sarcasm is good, no apologies needed. I've seen some pretty obnoxo bits come across these tubes, including nasty ad-hominems, assertions of superiority, category put-downs, and "I refuse to hear you" stuff. Most of that seems to me to be psychological defensiveness, heated-up by dynamics such as you pointed out in your article excerpt yesterday, plus the usual outcomes of a hybridized communications medium that's part conversation, part broadcast, delayed rather than realtime, and minus all nonverbal cues. Generally the sting wears off after a few days and then it's over & done with. Contrast to: imagine if every conversation you ever had at a pub, was preserved for posterity and searchable under your name. (The idea that this stuff needs to be indexed & searchable is more than a little narcissistic: to quote someone I was hanging out with last night, are we really so important?) Knowing the person at the other end of the wire, and being able to translate their writing into their spoken voice, makes many of those issues disappear. In my mind's ear I hear you telling sheep jokes. They're not bad, for sheep jokes;-) OK, so who's going to launch a Kickstarter to build another giant gay sheep? Or how'bout a couple of giant lesbian sheep? With audio chips & speakers, so they can say to each other, "Baaa-aaa-aaa, I love ewe!" and "Baa-aa-aaa, I love ewe too!" -G. On 13-05-30-Thu 9:22 PM, Andrew wrote:

As "a gay" I think everything needs more queering :D -Wolfy On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com>> wrote: This project just made $200 in the last hour. Someone at Sudo Room really wants the Big-Ass Amazingly Awesome Homosexual Sheep to have laser eyes! On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com <mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com>> wrote: NO. I hate sudo room >:-| On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: Drama incoming... On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>> wrote: "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... what makes you say that? On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is way less admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd funded movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding has done to the creativity of film. Also Burning Man does not need queering. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail. <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.>__com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>>> wrote: Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more admirable goal than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet project (with $3mil...) http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1 <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1>> On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay sheep for Burning Man http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/391007482/baaahs-big-____ass-amazin… <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awesome-homosexual-sheep>> So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>>> http://roshambomedia.com ___________________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.____org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.____org> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists. <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.>__sudoroom.org <http://sudoroom.org> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/____listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> http://roshambomedia.com _________________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.__org> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> http://roshambomedia.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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7:40 p.m.

New subject: Just a reminder of how ridiculous crowd funding is

That's cool! --- Romy Ilano Founder of Snowyla http://www.snowyla.com romy(a)snowyla.com On May 31, 2013, at 10:58, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:

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I realize that my statements may have come of as homophobic. I apollogize and would be more that happy to talk about it in person or otherwise directly with anyone who wants to. On May 30, 2013 7:55 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01(a)att.net> wrote: > > I'm gay & Andrew's cool with me & has no issues with gay folks generally. Just in case anyone thinks otherwise (incoming drama-missile intercept launched). > > OK, so: what to do about that sheep: > > Start another kickstarter to build another gay sheep, so there'll be two of them and they can go out on dates together. > > -G. > > > > > On 13-05-30-Thu 2:17 PM, Matthew Meier wrote: >> As "a gay" I think everything needs more queering :D >> >> -Wolfy >> >> >> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: >>> This project just made $200 in the last hour. Someone at Sudo Room really wants the Big-Ass Amazingly Awesome Homosexual Sheep to have laser eyes! >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> NO. I hate sudo room >:-| >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hahaha yeah on second thought I'm not actually curious why you would say that. I'm happy to let it be a hole in my knowledge of the world. >>>>> >>>>> We can (probably?) all agree that a sudoroom crowdfunding project would be more admirable than a lot of others on kickstarter? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu 30 May 2013 01:52:50 PM PDT, Jehan Tremback wrote: >>>>>> Drama incoming... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Max B <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Also Burning Man does not need queering."... >>>>>> >>>>>> what makes you say that? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu 30 May 2013 01:27:18 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No, I think a giant sheep that you enter through the ass is >>>>>> way less >>>>>> admirable than making a crowd funded movie. I think crowd funded >>>>>> movies are extremely important, given what traditional funding has >>>>>> done to the creativity of film. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also Burning Man does not need queering. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Max B >>>>>> <maxb.personal(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com> >>>>>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.__com >>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:maxb.personal@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Eh I think that queering burningman is a much more >>>>>> admirable goal >>>>>> than, say, Zach Braff being able to produce his little pet >>>>>> project >>>>>> (with $3mil...) >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/1869987317/wish-i-____was-here-1 >>>>>> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/1869987317/wish-i-__was-here-1 >>>>>> <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1869987317/wish-i-was-here-1>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu 30 May 2013 12:38:50 PM PDT, Andrew wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> These people got over $10,000 to build a giant gay >>>>>> sheep for >>>>>> Burning Man >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/____projects/391007482/baaahs-big-____ass-amazin… >>>>>> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.kickstarter.com/__projects/391007482/baaahs-big-__ass-amazingly-awesome-__homosexual-sheep >>>>>> <http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/391007482/baaahs-big-ass-amazingly-awesome-homosexual-sheep>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So, dream big Sudoers, if they can do it so can you... >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ------- >>>>>> Andrew Lowe >>>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> >>>>>> <tel:831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507>> >>>>>> http://roshambomedia.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___________________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.____org >>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__sudoroom.org >>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> >>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/____listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ------- >>>>>> Andrew Lowe >>>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> >>>>>> http://roshambomedia.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__org >>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/__listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> <http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------- >>> Andrew Lowe >>> Cell: 831-332-2507 >>> http://roshambomedia.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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