On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Patrik
D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sean is a regular CCL member, and has been working on the liquid handling robot in the
basement for almost two months now.
I've interacted with him on several occasions. He is definitely enthusiastic and
talkative, but he didn't strike me as a problem before. But then again, I'm not a
woman either.
I would really want to hear Jake's friend's reaction to this event, and the
opinion of some of the other women in CCL he's been interacting with over the past
several weeks.
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Marc Juul
<juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:17 AM, Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Dear Sudoroom,
sorry for streaming mode, i'm not sure how to talk about this.
there's this guy who's been at sudo a few times during hardware hacking tuesdays.
I think his name is Sean but i can't remember for sure now.
he likes talking about his workout routine, and getting rich, and says he's going to
invent bio-drones and says he's working on some secret project that's going to
show to elon musk and it's going to make him super rich.
well tonight he crossed the line from annoying to unacceptably creepy.
tonight a friend of mine came to sudoroom so we could use the robot to cut holes in these
christmas ornaments. It was a big project that took hours and a lot of focus. Sean (is
that his name?) was on her like glue the entire time, trying to be helpful, talking to
her.
It made me uncomfortable, but she's a grownup and can speak for herself, but at the
same time the power dynamic and assertiveness imbalance was quite stark and I really
wanted to say something.
But i didn't know what to say.
the first time he went away for a minute, which was after what seemed like a long time, i
said to my friend "you know, if anyone's bothering you here you can tell them to
go away" because i couldn't think of anything better to say. maybe i should have
offered to tell him to go away? but that would have only parried the problem that one
time.
Of course he soon came back. I think we were both trying to ignore him as best we could,
and we did get some good work done thanks to Zack and Fenn, who are great. But eventually
they left and it was just the three of us.
I don't know what other things he said to my friend when i wasn't watching, but I
did see him eventually ask her on a date. She told him no, and then he made it very clear
to everyone that he was fine with that and not bothered by it at all, because he's not
bothered by anything.
I was super bothered by it. I wanted to tell him to leave right then, but I really
didn't want to talk to him, I just wanted him to go away on his own. I guess
eventually he did.
I want two things. I want Sudoroom to ask this person to take a break from the space so
that he can study up on our anti-harrassment policy and maybe write us an essay about why
it's unacceptable to mack on people in sudoroom.
and I also want us to look into how we can make it clearer to people like him, and to his
targets, that sudoroom is expressly a safe place from this kind of behavior. I would like
for there to be a sign that I can point to in moments like that, so that I don't have
to try to say it with my own words, in front of other people.
it's a complex issue, because if someone is being talkative and helpful they're
not necessarily doing it as a creep move, so how do you know where to draw the line? We
can remind people to check their own intentions, but maybe we need more ways for people
who feel uncomfortable to get relief from unwanted attention without having to then engage
the person in Lesson 101 right then.
maybe we need yellow cards? to hand to people that say "please go to the fridge and
read the entire sign reminding you about proper behavior in sudoroom. Do not ask any more
questions of the person who gave you this card, they have other things they want to do
now. thank you."
Noisebridge seems to have a great vibe, at least the other night when I was there, Zach
explained to one of our friends why it would be inappropriate to "ask someone
out" at Noisebridge. I'm not sure how their anti-harrassment policy differs from
ours, or what we could learn from it, but I would like for us to be more out-in-front of
this issue so it doesn't come up anymore without being addressed.
thanks for reading this, let's figure this out.
I also interacted with this person. Definitely some weird ego problem going on there.
Pointed out several times how skilled he is and all the things he knows and kept repeating
how he does mixed martial arts in places where it made no sense to the conversation. He
didn't seem threatening just really intent on making me understand how amazing he is,
though the repeated references to his martial arts skills were definitely creepy. I saw
some of his interactions with the robot arm group but apparently not the worst of it. This
is definitely a case of someone who doesn't have a clue about social interactions,
which isn't new to sudo, but couple that with his pushiness and I think we have a
problem.
There's asking someone on a date and then there's an evening of imposing yourself
and making others uncomfortable followed by asking someone on a date when they're not
showing any interest.
We could talk to him about his behavior. We could couple that with a short-term break
from the space (e.g. 1 month). It's unlikely that he'll come back to the space
after a short term ban (few people do).
Meet in sudo or on the sudo room riseup pad at 7 pm for a group decision on this.
--
marc/juul
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