sudo-discuss April 2015

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Re: [sudo-discuss] [BAPS-Organizing] Re: [omni-building] [omni-discuss] Accessibility Liaison?

by niki

I actually *do* believe that this can be dealt with in a practical and reasonable way which is why I put this to the list. I admit exasperation, however, with the critique that the community just doesn't care enough / is not sufficiently interested in making the space accessible. The community is not some amorphous / boundless resource *nor* is it some perfect ideological object. It's real human beings in real space / time navigating all manner of confusing / complicated relationships. I guess I was hoping that someone would be interested in assisting with addressing these concerns practically even if it's only to identify what we can / cannot do rather than simply write it off as yet one more way in which we're failing every day to live up to our "values". I think it's reasonable to say that we haven't found someone who has the time / energy to take this on right now and that people who have concerns around these issues should perhaps wait to engage with us until we're in a more solid place. N On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Brad Borevitz <brad.borevitz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > can these issues be dealt with in a practical and reasonable way without > resorting to the exasperated cop out reference to ideological > perfectionism? and why all the antagonism? > > if there are limited resources (and there are) then real issues need to be > prioritized and dealt with in turn according to some sense of what is most > important and what effects the most people. can the case be made that > addressing chemical sensitivity is urgent and should be prioritized over > other concerns? > > chemical sensitivity is a controversial diagnosis without support from > science based medical organizations like AMA or WHO. i don’t know much > about it but from a quick wikipedia search it looks like there is some > evidence that it can be psychosomatic. which is not to say it isn’t real or > current science could be wrong, just that there doesn’t now seem to be any > consensus or compelling evidence. that might explain some people’s > dismissal. > > but if there are potentially dangerous chemicals (maybe occupational > health as safety regulations should be a guide here) being used around the > omni without adequate ventilation and without informing people of where and > when they might be exposed to these, that seems like an immediate issue. at > the very least those using such chemicals, should have an obligation to > notify others (signs and disclosure to omni general meeting) and a making a > plan to isolate, mitigate and provide necessary ventilation. > > and if perfume bothers people then those using it should be made aware and > act with some consideration of other people around them. it’s just like > being loud. in a crowded space that is shared without good ways to > partition and isolate activities, we should be aware of the way we effect > each other as we use the space. these distractions, though they may be at > the level of annoyance rather than emergency, have real effects on the > ability of the space to be effectively shared. take them seriously, but > don’t exaggerate their significance by making them emotionally laden > contests over control, authority, attention ... > > b > > > On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:52 AM, niki <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ok. I will write her back and tell her that because not every person who > enters the doors of the Omni is able to occupy a place of absolutely pure > ideological perfection, we will not be addressing these issues in any > meaningful way. > > > > N > > > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Ryan <yandoryn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It's not just one person or one situation. And it's not always in an > aggressive way. And it's not just an issue of not caring (although I have > experienced that). It's an issue of feasibility. > > > > I've heard snowball arguments. I know that Material Print Machine tries > their hardest to be chemically sensitive but cannot function without some > volatile chemicals that can cause problems. > > > > If we got some serious ventilation going on, maybe we'd be able to deal > with CCL and sudo. But the 3D printers could be an issue. > > > > And the few times I've tried to broach this subject, I have hit hard > walls. I've also had a lot of support. But I've also heard a lot of people > basically say "it'd be too hard to care about such a small minority." > > > > I just think that anyone who is going to be dealing with this at the > Omni needs to know that not everyone is on board and that they're going to > hear some really insensitive stuff. From people you might not expect. My > request to have the Omni ban simply spraying of perfume in the space left > me in tears about ready to leave the space because of reactions like this > from many members. > > > > I did have a specific issue with one member who I try not to interact > with now, who followed me out and proceeded to become aggressive and tell > me I can't survive in the real world, but that was handled for the most > part. That's not the issue, though. > > > > I don't know. My brain isn't really functioning well (brain fog yay) but > I think anyone dealing with accessibility at the Omni, especially things > people are less versed in than physical (which is bad enough to deal with) > should be well aware that while some people may be totally on board, there > are some people who are solidly against. > > > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> > wrote: > > I would like to know who said that, Ryan, so that we can have a > conversation with them about their attitude. > > > > Laura > > > > > > On 4/19/15 8:09 PM, Ryan wrote: > >> The consistent reaction I've gotten from the community at large is "We > don't actually care about people with chemical sensitivities and would > actively block any attempts to make the space more accessible to those with > respiratory problems who are 'asking too much.'" > >> > >> So, it might be best to be honest with her, rather than pretend like > the Omni is actually going to actively work to be accessible. > >> > >> Sorry if this sounds pessimistic, but eh. > >> > >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 8:06 PM, niki <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello friends, > >> > >> Someone came in today who was very concerned with our efforts to make > our space truly accessible - she was particularly concerned with building > improvements and the impact on those with chemical sensitivities. She was > also concerned with the sound system at today's event as there were some > issues w/it that made it difficult for people to hear. > >> > >> She asked us to not use any materials that will inhibit those with > chemical sensitivities from accessing the space and to create communication > around our accessibility and needs. > >> > >> She asked to see our plan for how we will do this. We don't have this > scoped out currently and I'm wondering if someone would be willing to take > on the task of researching this issue and making recommendations to the > building Working Group as well as drawing up a basic outline for providing > greater accessibility. > >> > >> Can someone volunteer for this? > >> > >> xo > >> > >> N > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> discuss mailing list > >> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org > >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> building mailing list > >> > >> building(a)lists.omnicommons.org > >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/building > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "BayAreaPublicSchool-organizing" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to bayareapublicschool-organizing+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BayAreaPublicSchool-organizing" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bayareapublicschool-organizing+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >

11 years, 1 month

The harry potter room in sudo is now locked

by Marc Juul

The combination is: 29-8-14 -- marc/juul

11 years, 1 month

ParaView - simplify MRI 3D models

by Romy＠snowyla

Saw this open source 3D software that would be great for the MRI project ! In this months make magazine This helps us get over our road block of reducing the triangles in our models & making them printable. Anyone have time to test it out???? http://www.paraview.org/ Sent from my iPhone

11 years, 1 month

San Francisco Music Venue Struggles to Stay Open as Rents Rise

by Romy＠snowyla

This is too bad! I always wondered why submission Couldn't cross pollinate more with Noisebridge next door I guess Sudoroom is lucky to be in the Omni now With all the other collectives! http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30216-san-francisco-music-venue-struggle… San Francisco Music Venue Struggles to Stay Open as Rents Rise Sub Mission in San Francisco. (Photo: Julie Blaustein/Flickr) This story could not have been published without the support of readers like you. Click here to make a tax-deductible donation to Truthout and fund more stories like it! Tucked at the corner of 18th and Mission Streets in San Francisco's Mission District - one of the neighborhoods hit hardest by gentrification - lies an independent art and music gallery called Sub Mission. Like many art and music venues in San Francisco, Sub Mission has taken a blow at the hands of the city's latest wave of gentrification - a blow so hard that the gallery might close down. Its plight exemplifies the drastic cultural changes sweeping San Francisco, and the heavy toll that gentrification takes on arts scenes. Sub Mission has been around for 12 years. It started as an art gallery on Mission and 24th Streets, but soon began to incorporate music into the space since some of the artists had friends who were in bands. Eventually, Sub Mission became more of a music venue. Nine years ago, Sub Mission moved to its current location at the building on 18th and Mission, which provides a bigger space for music shows. These days, Sub Mission mostly offers live music, including hardcore punk and metal concerts, but it also has art shows. It emphasizes booking up-and-coming bands, providing an opportunity for emerging musicians to showcase their work in front of an audience. On its second floor, Sub Mission houses art studios, which are not open to the public. Now the venue is having trouble staying afloat. Its lease is up, meaning rent will increase, according to Txutxo (pronounced "Chucho"), a visual artist who handles Sub Mission's bookings. On top of that, "We have a problem with the city that's asking us to do some improvements in the building," Txutxo told Truthout. Among those improvements are building an elevator for the second floor, and adding sprinklers and an additional exit. Currently, there is only one door at the front of Sub Mission for entry and exit. Some of their music shows, such as one with Boston Strangler last February, draw large crowds, so having only one exit poses a safety problem. Sub Mission hired an architect to draw construction plans for adding necessary improvements to the building. The plans are mostly done but the city has yet to give Sub Mission a permit to do construction. "With all the new restaurants, and techies and new businesses going up, the value of the place goes up. So rent is increasing." In addition to waiting for the city to grant a construction permit, Sub Mission is being hurt by high rents. "This area, with all the new restaurants, and techies and new businesses going up, the value of the place goes up. So rent is increasing," Txutxo said. Sub Mission's rent has increased 10 percent every year, hovering in the $9,000 to $10,000 per month range for the past few years. Now that the lease is up, Sub Mission will have to pay an extra $3,000 per month - totaling more than $13,000 per month - until it finds a new lease. With the lease expired, the new rent conforms to the current value of property, which keeps going up as the area gentrifies. The landlord - with whom Sub Mission's owners have a good relationship - offered another lease but as long as everything in the building is up to code and all necessary improvements are made. In order to do the necessary construction, Sub Mission would have to close down temporarily. That would mean less income coming in even as their rent - along with property values in the area - increases. However, as a small business without a large budget, this makes it hard for Sub Mission to stay afloat. "Because we are a small business - and not even a business that makes a lot of profit - we don't have the budget," Txutxo said. With the city taking a long time to grant the permit, "you're never going to know if your money is going to be spent on rent, on trying to survive, and waiting for the permits," he added. City delays and rising rents caused by gentrification are squeezing the small budget of Sub Mission. As Txutxo put it, "Everything's coming at once." The venue can probably make it until the end of May - but after that, it will be hard to stay afloat. Unless Sub Mission receives its construction permit, this cultural institution may have to shut down. Sub Mission is also a Latino-owned and operated gallery. They have also hosted many Latino and Filipino rock bands from the San Francisco Bay Area. The venue's closing would contribute to the ongoing displacement of Latinos from the historically Mexican and Central American Mission District. A study conducted by the Council of Community Housing Organizations and the Mission Economic Development Agency found that 8,000 Latinos have left the Mission District in the past decade. In 2000, Latinos comprised half of the Mission's population. Today, they are less than 40 percent of the neighborhood's population and, should this trend continue, their numbers could drop to a third. The Farm Sub Mission's struggle is reminiscent of another art center that was also in the Mission District - The Farm. Its story is told in a documentary called Farmcore. The Farm was started in 1974 by Jack Wickert and Bonnie Shirk as an art and community center, which thrived as a place for multicultural activities. It housed a two-acre community garden, a barnyard with animals, an art gallery, a large performing arts space and a children's preschool. However, beginning in the mid-1980s, it struggled to stay open because its landlord, Marilyn Goode, continuously increased rent and refused to sign long-term leases or sell the property. Around the same time, San Francisco's punk scene was dealt a major blow when the last big venue to hold all-age shows - On Broadway - closed down. Rising rents and gentrification bring in new, wealthier residents to areas that traditionally host live music. In need of revenue, The Farm began hosting punk rock shows beginning in the summer of 1984. Several well-known punk bands performed at The Farm, including Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, Black Flag, MDC, DRI, Circle Jerks and Butthole Surfers. It soon became the biggest venue for punk shows in San Francisco during the mid-1980s and a vital part of the punk scene that developed in the San Francisco Bay Area. Along with New York City, the Bay Area was a breeding ground for the punk subculture. Aside from being a genre of rock that emphasizes minimalistic instrumentals and short, energetic, fast-paced songs, punk is an anti-establishment subculture. Punks typically embrace radical left, particularly anarchist, politics and a do-it-yourself ethic in their lyrics, lifestyle and even activism. Rather than go through record labels, many punk bands will self-produce records and distribute them independently or through alternative channels. But in 1987, The Farm was forced to close down once the landlord evicted the venue. Its closure dealt a blow to the Bay Area's punk community. Local and Nationwide Cultural Changes The story of artists and musicians being displaced from cities is not a new one nor is it limited to San Francisco. Sub Mission's struggle is just one example of how rising rents and gentrification are hurting the city's arts and culture scene. Other artists and creatives are being hurt with high rents and evictions. One artist commune in San Francisco's Mid-Market area was recently slapped with an eviction notice by its landlord Jennifer Chen. Like the Mission, Mid-Market is also heavily gentrifying. On top of that, several tech companies, such as Twitter and Spotify, have their offices there. In 2011, the City of San Francisco granted tech companies tax breaks in exchange for locating their offices in the city. This has accelerated gentrification and displacement of lower-income residents in the area. As of March, median rent in San Francisco for a one-bedroom apartment is now $3,400 per month, slightly down from $3,460 in February. For two bedrooms, it's $4,580 per month. San Francisco is still the most expensive US city to live in, especially for artists. Rising rents and gentrification also bring in new, wealthier residents to areas that traditionally host live music. Oftentimes, these more well-to-do residents will file noise complaints with the city about the venues. Jason Perkins, who owns Brick and Mortar Music Hall in San Francisco and the New Parish in Oakland, told SFGate, "We have had several people move in behind us and the next day they are calling the police." He went on, "We have people moving in who look upon this as a bedroom community. They have to go to bed so they can get up in the morning and get to the Google bus." As people continue to be displaced from San Francisco, public resistance grows. The Chapel, which is a combination of a bar, restaurant and music venue in San Francisco's Mission District, has received several noise complaints from neighbors. What is also notable about the Chapel is that it's located on Valencia Street, which is a particularly gentrified street in the Mission, with several cocktail bars and high-end restaurants flanking the area. The class divide is so palpable on Valencia that local online publication Uptown Almanac called it "San Francisco's premier boulevard of bullshit." Sub Mission, on the other hand, has not been hit with noise complaints like other music venues. "We have pretty good relations with our neighbors," Txutxo said. They also have decent soundproofing. The people who work at Sub Mission, including Txutxo, are all artists and know people in the area. So when complaints do arise, "we address them in the right way," he said. But their situation is unique compared to other venues. San Francisco's arts and music scene is not the only one harmed by gentrification. Artists are being pushed out of other metropolitan areas, leading to significant cultural changes that many would argue are not for the better. One example is Seattle, the birthplace of Jimi Hendrix and '90s grunge bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains. Currently, median rent for a one-bedroom apartment in Seattle, Washington, is $1,600 per month and $2,050 for two bedrooms, making it the 10th most expensive major city to live in. Like San Francisco, Seattle is also experiencing a tech boom. Its rising rents are also pushing artists out of the city. Seattle neighborhood Capitol Hill exemplifies this change. The former blue-collar neighborhood "became a home to artists and the gay community decades ago," according toSeattle Times reporter Tricia Romano. However, "luxury apartment buildings such as the Sunset Electric on 11th and Pine, with one-bedrooms that rent for more than $4,500, seem to open weekly, filling up with more affluent residents, many of them tech workers. Once the province of the starving artist, a fifth of the neighborhood's households now make more than $100,000 a year," Romano reports. Why It Matters Making art does not always pay well or pay consistently. So to support their work, artists often take side jobs. Since cities have a higher concentration of jobs in one area, this makes it easier for artists to perfect their artistic craft and pay the bills. However, big cities are not always necessary for musicians to do their work. For example, Palm Desert in Southern California is home to a hard rock scene known as desert rock. It was birthed by parties in remote desert areas in which bands used someone's (typically the host's) generator to power their instruments and amplifiers. Since there were no clubs, this was the way bands performed live and played for free. The Palm Desert scene birthed bands like Kyuss, Queens of the Stone Age and Yawning Man. The scene is also showcased in Foo Fighters frontman and former Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl's "Sonic Highways" series on HBO. It's not just that artists need cities to live and create - cities need art to add character. However, as author James Lough points out in Art Pulse magazine, big cities provide "creative collisions, encouragement and support of like minds, and mentorship." He writes, "The right city encourages free exchange of ideas, which relies on a city's intellectual atmosphere, its open-mindedness and tolerance of difference. Often, institutions within the cities help provide this tolerance, institutions that appreciate, nurture and showcase artists and their work. Examples of such institutions are galleries, cafes with literary readings, performance venues like theaters, concert venues like CBGBs and Max's Kansas City, and even living spaces like New York's Chelsea Hotel." Musicians need live venues to not just perform, but also promote and sell their music, build a fan base, and even perfect their craft by analyzing what works with different audiences. For example, heavy metal band Pantera pioneered a unique style of groove metal - with heavy rhythmic riffs that influenced the new wave of American heavy metal from the 1990s to the early to mid-2000s - because of the many times they were able to play live. As Pantera vocalist Phil Anselmo explained in a VH1 documentary, "The late '80s, writing heavy metal songs, a lot of bands would save the money riff for the end or for the middle or whatever. But we saw that the money riff moved people. So it's like, 'Why not make the whole damn song the money riff?'" He added, "The proof's in the pudding. We gigged so much that it was all about attitude and the bond with the audience, you know. And that's what was special about us." Even before the advent of heavy metal, jazz musicians played at nightclubs in cities like New York City and San Francisco during jazz's heyday from the 1920s to the 1950s. Musicians like jazz drummer Gene Krupa and saxophonist Charlie Parker displayed their chops at nightclubs, attracted fans and generated a vibrant urban nightlife that influenced modern American music. African-Americans who lived in cities like New York City and Chicago, along with Blacks who migrated to the North from the South during the early 20th century, created and brought jazz into urban areas. Jazz became popular, particularly among middle-class Whites, during the Prohibition era (1920 to 1933) in which the ban on alcoholic drinks gave rise to underground speakeasies in numerous US cities. These speakeasies became live venues for jazz music and interracial mingling between Blacks and Whites - which was controversial during an era of racial segregation. New York City and Chicago were cultural centers for jazz - and crucial to its development - since they had large populations, a high concentration of African-Americans, and ample live venues to play the music and bring large numbers of people together. Resistance to Gentrification While arts and culture scenes continue to be hurt by gentrification, there has been some good news on the housing front. As reported by Truthout in March, Station 40, an activist housing collective in San Francisco's Mission District, was facing eviction. Recently, the landlords of Station 40 - Ahuva, Emanuel and Barak Jolish - halted the eviction and agreed to start a fresh discussion with tenants on how to sell the building in a way that lets the tenants stay in their home. Station 40 residents say that, using a mediator, "We will also be working with the San Francisco Community Land Trust and Mission Economic Development Agency (MEDA) to craft a viable offer that they can present to our landlords, who are now willing to consider selling our building - 3030 16th at Mission Street - to the land trust, thereby ensuring that it remains qualitatively affordable forever. In the meantime, for the foreseeable future, we can continue renting." The land trust will own the property the building sits on while residents get to stay by paying a long, lower-cost lease. This makes the building affordable for tenants. For the time being, Station 40's supporters are not planning any protests or other forms of public resistance. However, their fight is not over. They told Truthout: Our work is far from done. "Resisting our eviction" was and always will be only one piece of the struggle. It is intimately connected to the struggle against Maximus, the "monster in the Mission" proposed for right across the street from us, on the hotly contested intersection of 16th and Mission Streets. As we all know, when one corner is transformed into a luxury development, such projects ripple out to steal and destroy whole blocks, whole communities. It is tied, too, to the struggle to stop police from "cleaning up" the neighborhood and especially killing more people, since we know that police go hand in hand with gentrification. Recently, a Chinatown single-room-occupancy (SRO) hotel was served an eviction notice by a real estate investment group. SROs typically house recent immigrants and low-wage or transient workers. They encompass three-quarters of Chinatown's housing stock and have been largely immune to the displacement happening everywhere else in San Francisco. The reason for the eviction was residents hanging laundry outside their windows, which is a common practice in the neighborhood. After a protest in solidarity with the SRO residents being evicted, Mayor Ed Lee quickly intervened and halted the eviction. As people continue to be displaced from San Francisco, public resistance grows. According to a recent poll, 65 percent of San Francisco voters said they would support a ballot measure that halts development projects in the Mission for a year - in other words, a moratorium - while a plan is created to help businesses and nonprofits avert displacement. Only 26 percent said they would oppose it. Additionally, San Francisco Supervisor London Breed recently proposed legislation that would save the city's music venues from noise complaints. The measure would, among other things, require developers to work with entertainment venues before beginning construction, ensure that potential residents near entertainment venues are informed of its activities before moving there and prevent venues from being deemed a "nuisance" if they are operating within their permit. So far, the measure is making headway and could be approved. The community has also stepped up to support Sub Mission. Nearly $4,000 has been donated to its GoFundMe page and it's still active. Vibrant art and culture require supportive environments to thrive. If those environments are hit with rising rents, gentrification or excessive noise complaints, then that undermines the ability of artists to live and create - undermining the character of a city. It's not just that artists need cities to live and create - cities need art to add character. Art and culture make cities more interesting places to live in. Moreover, they can also be the breeding grounds for art that people come to know and love. Hip-hop, for example, was an urban subculture started by Black and Latino youth in the Bronx before it became the global cultural phenomenon that it is today. By displacing artists and shutting down entertainment venues, gentrification not only hurts artists - it also hurts cities. Full disclosure: The author's band has a performance booked at Sub Mission. Sent from my iPhone

11 years, 1 month

Is anyone blogging their hack projects?

by Romy Ilano

I started a new blog today > It's empty but I'd like to monitor my progress at SudoRoom http://www.snowyla.com/hackBlog/ Probably going to fill it up with these two: - https://sudoroom.org/wiki/MRI_3D_Printing - https://sudoroom.org/wiki/UnderstandingTools The SudoRoom site and blog is looking a little bare lately... I love the wiki but this will hopefully help build up momentum for the 3D printing MRI stuff. <3 *In the long term I'm going to try to graduate from these expensive ready made maker kits in arduino that are springing up everywhere.* They are cool but since we are at a hackrrspace it's better to learn how to hack without having to spend a ton of money on fancy stuff! - My focus is on hacking for adults. *Children are cool but they have enough people helping them out * ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

11 years, 1 month

Blast from the past: SudoRoom 1 year reboot

by Romy＠snowyla

This is from last year in April .. Happy the reboot worked!! Sent from my iPhone

11 years, 1 month

Re: [sudo-discuss] one-time donations?

by yar

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Charley Sheets <rcsheets(a)acm.org> wrote: > I like to make one-time donations by paying some of Sudo Room's bills. > When Omni sends invoices, anyone can pay all or part of the invoice > online using a credit card. For now, people can also make direct one-time donations to Omni at https://omnicommons.org/donate which forwards to https://omnicommons.tilt.com/buy-the-building Not really the same thing as donating to Sudo, but at least it's already set up and ready to use.

11 years, 1 month

$150 charge for not returning DSL equipment to sonic.net

by Maximilian Klein

FYI, sonic.net (our original ISP at sudo and the omni) charged our card $150 because we did not send back the modem, which I wrote to the list about one month ago. C'est la vie. From: Sonic.net Billing <billing(a)sonic.net> Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:01 AM Subject: Sonic.net Invoice #7734422 <ooc(a)sonic.net> 4799 SHATTUCK AVE OAKLAND, CA 94609-2032 _______________________________________________________________________ Description Unit Price Total ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Charge overdue RMA for SRA06DD04 149.00 149.00 Total: 149.00

11 years, 1 month

one-time donations?

by Jake

is there an easy way for people to make a one-time donation to sudoroom using a credit card? I only see a link to gittip on the main page, which is a great thing but WAY too complicated for people making a one-time donation, especially if they don't want to link their social media to donating to a "hackerspace". I want to do some activities at Hardware Hacking Tuesdays where people pay for materials, but i don't know how to accept donations on behalf of sudoroom with a credit card. Also i think it would benefit us to have that functionality right there on the website. -jake

11 years, 1 month

Notary?

by Rachel Wolfsohn

Is anyone a notary?

11 years, 1 month

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