sudo-discuss October 2016

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Fwd: [dorkbotsf-blabber] kitLAB needs your vintage e-waste

by Patrik D'haeseleer

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: North Pitney <northp(a)mac.com> Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM Subject: [dorkbotsf-blabber] kitLAB needs your vintage e-waste To: dorkbotsf-blabber(a)googlegroups.com Cc: erin elliott <erin(a)museumcuriosa.com> I know some of you are hoarding awesome semi working devices and I want to help you find their final resting place this Sunday. The kitLAB maker space (opening this winter) is hosting a booth at the Maker Faire in Oakland … [View More]

8 years, 6 months

Meeting tonight @ 8pm re: buying the building!

by Jenny Ryan

Greets all, Tonight is a second Wednesday aka our MEETING-FLAVORED PARTY - and we have much to meet and party about! Principally we need to discuss the current proposal for buying the building, and most importantly what it means for the future of sudo as an org. Do your homework first, if you can, but I'll be there to present the details, answer any questions, and brainstorm with y'all on how we can go about achieving this miraculous feat :D Full proposal and FAQ is here: https://docs.google.… [View More]

8 years, 6 months

Manylabs Open House Social with Speakers, Demos/Exhibits Oct 17th

by Cere Davis

Heya DIY community! Manylabs is having it’s quarterly social/open house/lecture on Monday, Oct17th at 6:30p. Featuring talks by the following science luminaries: Ben Novak, Lead Researcher - The Great Passenger Pigeon Comeback Peter Roopnarine, Curator of the Department of Invertebrate Zoology & Geology at the Cal Academy of Sciences - Saving Future Ecosystems by Understanding the Past With lightning talks and exhibits by Manylabs residents! Come for the talks, explore the space and … [View More]

8 years, 6 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Buy the building report back thread

by robb

i still think that if sudoroom managed the a/v aspect of event rentals & omni kept the general rent from same, not much would functionally change. all the working groups would be omni's & delegates would still make the decisions. sudoroom would merely handle the a/v side (which we currently contract out to trained members) most of the a/v stuff is sudoroom's anyway several sudo members are willing to start an a/v training program instead of splitting the building in half, we could … [View More]split rentals...omni gets the space rental/sudo gets the a/v contracts which, if part of an educational program, will be considered charitable. On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 10:47 AM, <discuss-request(a)lists.omnicommons.org> wrote: > Send discuss mailing list submissions to > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > discuss-request(a)lists.omnicommons.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > discuss-owner(a)lists.omnicommons.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of discuss digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Buy the building report back thread (Laura Turiano) > 2. Re: [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back thread > (Patrik D'haeseleer) > 3. Re: [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back thread > (Jenny Ryan) > 4. Re: [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back thread > (Yardena Cohen) > 5. Re: [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back thread > (Mary Ann Tenuto) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> > To: "discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> > Cc: > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:05:22 -0700 > Subject: [omni-discuss] Buy the building report back thread > Everyone, > > At the delegates meeting we discussed the proposal to buy the building by > creating a tenants in common agreement between Omni Commons and one member > collective that is a 501c3. Please see the proposal and additional > information on the pad (pad.riseup.net/p/omninom) if you didn't see it > before. > > We agreed to update each other at least once a week on the progress of > discussions in the collectives and the development of the contracts. This > is the thread where we will put our updates. > > Everyone is welcome to attend the Finance/fundraising working group > meeting at 6pm on Mondays to get more information or raise any > concerns/questions. > > Laura > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd(a)gmail.com> > To: Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> > Cc: "consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 21:34:46 -0700 > Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back > thread > Thanks Laura, > > One thing I didn't understand about the two-non-profit idea was whether > this was just a temporary fix, and eventually the ownership of the building > would be with the Omni, or whether the building will be shared in > perpetuity between the Omni and Sudo. > > If this is intended to be a permanent arrangement, I would greatly prefer > setting up a new 501(c)3 just for the purpose of receiving the donation, > even if that might take a bit longer to arrange. > > Patrik > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> wrote: > >> Everyone, >> >> At the delegates meeting we discussed the proposal to buy the building by >> creating a tenants in common agreement between Omni Commons and one member >> collective that is a 501c3. Please see the proposal and additional >> information on the pad (pad.riseup.net/p/omninom) if you didn't see it >> before. >> >> We agreed to update each other at least once a week on the progress of >> discussions in the collectives and the development of the contracts. This >> is the thread where we will put our updates. >> >> Everyone is welcome to attend the Finance/fundraising working group >> meeting at 6pm on Mondays to get more information or raise any >> concerns/questions. >> >> Laura >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> consensus mailing list >> consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> > To: "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd(a)gmail.com> > Cc: "consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 01:49:32 -0700 > Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back > thread > Replying all primarily for those I just subscribed who signed up for the > mailing list at the end of the meeting - apologies! Your thoughts welcome > and appreciated ~ > > Jenny > > Help open a people-powered common space in Oakland, California! > https://omnicommons.org/donate > > `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` > "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." > -Laurie Anderson > > "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." > -Hannah Arendt > > "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." > -Stéphane Mallarmé > ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> [image: Boxbe] <https://www.boxbe.com/overview> This message is eligible >> for Automatic Cleanup! (patrikd(a)gmail.com) Add cleanup rule >> <https://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Fkey…> >> | More info >> <http://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=27071323876…> >> >> Thanks Laura, >> >> One thing I didn't understand about the two-non-profit idea was whether >> this was just a temporary fix, and eventually the ownership of the building >> would be with the Omni, or whether the building will be shared in >> perpetuity between the Omni and Sudo. >> >> If this is intended to be a permanent arrangement, I would greatly prefer >> setting up a new 501(c)3 just for the purpose of receiving the donation, >> even if that might take a bit longer to arrange. >> >> Patrik >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> Everyone, >>> >>> At the delegates meeting we discussed the proposal to buy the building >>> by creating a tenants in common agreement between Omni Commons and one >>> member collective that is a 501c3. Please see the proposal and additional >>> information on the pad (pad.riseup.net/p/omninom) if you didn't see it >>> before. >>> >>> We agreed to update each other at least once a week on the progress of >>> discussions in the collectives and the development of the contracts. This >>> is the thread where we will put our updates. >>> >>> Everyone is welcome to attend the Finance/fundraising working group >>> meeting at 6pm on Mondays to get more information or raise any >>> concerns/questions. >>> >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> consensus mailing list >>> consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org >>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> consensus mailing list >> consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> > To: Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> > Cc: "consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 09:05:42 -0700 > Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back > thread > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > pad.riseup.net/p/omninom > > Hi all, I'm really sorry I'm not more involved right now and very much > appreciate all the work that's being done to make this project work! I > have some questions about this proposal... > * Why can't the donor just wait until January? Do they really need > that 2016 write-off? > * Would it work to create a new project that's fiscally sponsored by a > 501c3? (like Sudo, CCL, FNB) > * Maybe we should get a second legal opinion on ways to make this > work. Anyone know a good accountant? > > I don't know any behind-the-scenes info, but it seems like this would > fundamentally change how power works at Omni. Right now anybody in the > community can come to a delegates meeting or this list to voice their > concerns about use of space, but under this scheme, half the building > would be off limits. For instance, there's been a proposal to have a > co-working space in the basement, and some people have been blocking > consensus for a while because of their concerns. If hypothetically, > Sudoroom's 50% included the basement, there would be no way for people > to have any say. I'm not saying I'm for or against Marcus's plan, but > if there is strong opposition to it, it seems like a good thing that > people have a chance to talk it through rather than be forced to > accept it. > > I would most like to hear from people who aren't Sudoroom members in > this conversation, because it seems they would have the most to lose. > I hope the fiscal urgency - and our desire to be polite to our > hard-working friends - doesn't overshadow questions about values and > power. I hope nobody feels pressured to keep quiet during this > process. That could do a lot of damage to the community. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mary Ann Tenuto <cezmat(a)igc.org> > To: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> > Cc: "consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, " > finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org" <finance(a)lists.omnicommons.org> > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 10:47:36 -0700 > Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] [omni-consensus] Buy the building report back > thread > I’m inclined to share some of Patrik’s and Yar’s feelings. I think it’s at > least worth exploring/researching > the option of another nonprofit, which I believe was Option D in our > meeting with Jesse. Since time is > of the essence, that would need to be an important first part of the > exploration/research. > > Mary Ann > > > On Oct 7, 2016, at 9:05 AM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Laura Turiano <scylla(a)riseup.net> wrote: > >> pad.riseup.net/p/omninom > > > > Hi all, I'm really sorry I'm not more involved right now and very much > > appreciate all the work that's being done to make this project work! I > > have some questions about this proposal... > > * Why can't the donor just wait until January? Do they really need > > that 2016 write-off? > > * Would it work to create a new project that's fiscally sponsored by a > > 501c3? (like Sudo, CCL, FNB) > > * Maybe we should get a second legal opinion on ways to make this > > work. Anyone know a good accountant? > > > > I don't know any behind-the-scenes info, but it seems like this would > > fundamentally change how power works at Omni. Right now anybody in the > > community can come to a delegates meeting or this list to voice their > > concerns about use of space, but under this scheme, half the building > > would be off limits. For instance, there's been a proposal to have a > > co-working space in the basement, and some people have been blocking > > consensus for a while because of their concerns. If hypothetically, > > Sudoroom's 50% included the basement, there would be no way for people > > to have any say. I'm not saying I'm for or against Marcus's plan, but > > if there is strong opposition to it, it seems like a good thing that > > people have a chance to talk it through rather than be forced to > > accept it. > > > > I would most like to hear from people who aren't Sudoroom members in > > this conversation, because it seems they would have the most to lose. > > I hope the fiscal urgency - and our desire to be polite to our > > hard-working friends - doesn't overshadow questions about values and > > power. I hope nobody feels pressured to keep quiet during this > > process. That could do a lot of damage to the community. > > _______________________________________________ > > consensus mailing list > > consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org > > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus > > > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss > > [View Less]

8 years, 6 months

sudoroom a/v institute meetup

by robb

i wish to invite you all to a meeting after this wed sudo meeting to discuss the viability of starting an open source curriculum based open source hardware/software a/v institute. ideas so far: pcb fabrication series dmx rgb led/laser projects analog circuit noisemakers vlc, open broadcaster, ardour3, lmms, pd, mapmap, blender, etc. tutorials a/v events as opportunities to teach one on one soundboard & dmx lightboard certifications for using house equipment liberated lens collaboration … [View More]

8 years, 6 months

borrow sudo projector

by robb

i'm getting free training at owhstudios.tv on video production/broadcast (they're aiming to open Oakand's public access cable channel). one the organizers there asked me if i had a hdmi projector they could borrow for a presentation they're giving next wednesday does anyone object to me taking sudo's white hdmi projector to owhstudios on tuesday & picking it up on thursday? i'll buy a new one (probably led) if anything happens to it additionally, they've shown an interest in helping us … [View More]

8 years, 6 months

Fwd: selling soap chopper on craigslist

by beehappysolutions

> Begin forwarded message: > > From: beehappysolutions <beehappysolutions(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] selling soap chopper on craigslist > Date: October 5, 2016 at 8:40:33 PM PDT > To: robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> > > There is a store in berkeley that sells soap supplies - I could drive it over there and see if they could sell it to one of their customers. Also I am on a homesteading list and I could ask there. > > Alice > >> … [View More]

8 years, 6 months

Adorable Yorkshire Terrier Available /Adoption

by beehappysolutions

Bella is the one on the right - with the limp right ear Adorable Yorkshire Terrier Available /Adoption <https://lorindistrict.nextdoor.com/news_feed/?post=33609436> Bella will turn 3 years old in spring of 2017. Her life expectancy is 15+ years. She is a pure bread Yorkie with long legs and a floppy right ear. She is house broken. She is so sweet with people and children. Bella weighs about 10 lbs. Eats 1/3 cup "Hunden Flocken” dry dog food mixed with chicken scrap & hot water … [View More]

8 years, 7 months

selling soap chopper on craigslist

by Jake

we have this stupid "soap chopper" or whatever it is, taking up space in sudoroom. i think we should put it on craigslist. I will do that now. I will accept $50 for it if they pick it up. If you object to this, please speak up and take the thing out of sudoroom. http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/2016-10/20161004_234637.jpg http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/2016-10/20161004_234646.jpg http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/2016-10/20161004_234654.jpg

8 years, 7 months

polycom conference speaker system

by robb

i think we got two polycom conference ip phones last night i was going to install one in the basement meeting room that just got painted anyone know where they went?

8 years, 7 months

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