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Fwd: 3/2013 Statement, 2141 Broadway

by Matthew Senate

apologies, attachment should be included, also in HTML: Statement The Sudo Room (2141art) 2141 Broadway, Oakland CA 94612 Date Description Charges Payments Balance Balance Forward 0.00 03/01/13 Rent (03/2013) 1,500.00 1,500.00 03/01/13 PG&E (03/2013) 168.34 1,668.34 Current 30 Days 60 Days 90 Days Amount Due 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1,668.34 Page 1/1/97 12:00 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:04 PM Subject: 3/2013 Statement, 2141 Broadway To: exchequer(a)sudoroom.org Cc: eddan(a)eddan.com, mattsenate(a)gmail.com Hi All- Attached please find The Sudo Room invoice for March. Thank you! Laurie

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FUD around Lockpicking class

by Anca Mosoiu

Hi everyone, Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 Here is Oakland Local's response: http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… Anca -- -=-=-=- Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal anca(a)techliminal.com M: (510) 220-6660 http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal

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Fwd: [Longfellow Community Association & Friends] Mayor Quan is getting some serious flak for...

by Marina Kukso

workshop weekend scandal! see the offending newsletter here: http://jeanquan.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/State-of-City-Wednesday-Firs… please enjoy a wide variety of workshop weekend events this weekend at sudo room and tech liminal: http://workshopweekend.net/ - marina PS - i am only a member of the longfellow community association list for purely oakland wiki research reasons - not a longfellow myself. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Leslie Cleaver Wood <notification+f_969oo9(a)facebookmail.com> Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:07 PM Subject: [Longfellow Community Association & Friends] Mayor Quan is getting some serious flak for... To: Longfellow Community Association & Friends < longfellowcommunityassociation(a)groups.facebook.com> ** Leslie Cleaver Wood posted in Longfellow Community Association & Friends<http://www.facebook.com/n/?groups%2Flongfellowcommunityassociation%2Fpermal…> [image: Mayor Quan is getting some serious flak for...]<http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=601808270&mid=798c723G13df94G897a…>Leslie Cleaver Wood<http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=601808270&mid=798c723G13df94G897a…>7:07pm Feb 27 Mayor Quan is getting some serious flak for promoting a lock picking workshop in her newsletter. Apparently, you even get a free lock picking kit when you finish! What are your thoughts? Here is the workshop: https://workshopweekend.net/catalog#workshop-lockpicking<http://www.facebook.com/l/OAQGhQDZc/https%3A%2F%2Fworkshopweekend.net%2Fcat…> <http://www.facebook.com/l/fAQHU1j1bAQFgQbKtH9AivOTn0B0aZQj5OnZObDek-QiXmA/h…>Workshop Weekend : Catalog of Workshops<http://www.facebook.com/l/NAQHWnkjAAQEKRBufWc3Ono_VyqmFLl4V6ZTHd2qMjRUxew/h…> workshopweekend.net<http://www.facebook.com/l/NAQHWnkjAAQEKRBufWc3Ono_VyqmFLl4V6ZTHd2qMjRUxew/h…> Workshop Weekend is a weekend-long event of short, 1 to 3 hour long workshops in subjects from explo... View Post on Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/n/?groups%2Flongfellowcommunityassociation%2Fpermal…>· Edit Email Settings<http://www.facebook.com/n/?settings&tab=notifications&section=group_notific…>· Reply to this email to add a comment.

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Re: [sudo-discuss] [Artmurmur] Art Murmur membership

by Tracy Jacobs

Thanks Eddan, I'm glad you're taking action on this. I'm still finishing up the wiring on my megavirus, this Friday and Saturday is Barbot 2013 in San Francisco, so I will be busy until Sunday. Come to Barbot if you're able, it's really fun! http://events.sfgate.com/san_francisco_ca/events/show/305281805-barbot-2013 On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Eddan <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: > Since the subject of Sudo Room membership in the official Art Murmur program has come up several times - let me point people to where the conversation was left off on the Sudo Room mailing list. > Though it is not necessary and perhaps a distraction to discuss for planning this Friday, the fact that it's come up every time gives me the sense that people have strong opinions about it. > > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/pipermail/sudoroom/2012-July/000622.html > > Tracy et al. Sudo Artists - > > Did we end up doing anything further about being members of Art Murmur after your message below? Do Sudo artists think it's worth being officially connected? According to the Art Murmur membership guidelines (http://oaklandartmurmur.org/images/stories/docs/oam-membership-guidelines-a…), galleries or mixed-use spaces participating in First Fridays receive the following benefits: > > * Representation on the Art Murmur map and postcard, which will be printed as needed. > * Representation on the Art Murmur website, with ability to update your events. > * Access to post on the Oakland Art Murmur Facebook page. > * Opportunity to participate in Saturday Stroll, which is marketed with its own postcard, ad campaign, program listings, and press campaign. > * Opportunity to participate in the annual Murmurama event, which takes place on the third Saturday in May. > * Opportunity to lead a guided tour of OAM galleries, which is a great way to bring new people to your venue. > * Sticker to identify you as an Oakland Art Murmur member, and temporary signs that wrap around poles, to install when you are open or on First Friday. > * Networking and press opportunities as they arise. > > As Tracy described in her earlier email below, the only real obstacle to our joining is the cost - $100 one time application fee and then $175/year membership. > > If we do join (and probably even if we don't), it seems like a good idea to create some way of regularly organizing events around Art Murmur. > There was an ad hoc list of a few people who expressed interest in helping out, but there wasn't much of a coordinated effort. Tracy's set-up in the box office was awesome last month, but we're going to need > more reliable participation for this to work. While an ad hoc group makes sense for particular projects, I think some kind of stable, but dynamic group of Sudo folk, even if just a few people, could really help round up participation for displaying the art people make anyhow as well as other coordination as required. I propose we form something like a Dynamic Association for Displayed Art (DADA) that rotates active contributors each month based on the particular installations and projects are going on. Documenting how we go about it each month on the Sudo Wiki would also be really helpful for coordinating future events more efficiently. > > Given the Ferro Fluids phenomena transpiring in Sudo Room and now the arrival of a giant papier-maché cruise-ship, we should get some Sudo folks on a cc:ed list to communicate about the Aug. 3 Art Murmur. This group can solicit people's art, make sure projectors, etc. are set up, make sure there are cups to accompany the wine, make sure teenagers don't exceed their turn playing Frogger, and other logistics evidently requiring organization. > > I want to put together a 'happening' connected to the box office maximum occupancy experiment on Aug. 3, if anyone else wants to help out with > that. And with the Ghostbusters showing at the Paramount - it would also be great to get some help with the 8.5 ft. inflatable Stay Puft Marshmallow Men (which ended up taking more than three hours to hang from the roof of 2135 Broadway, even with the landlord George's assistance.) > > So since the August First Friday Art Murmur is now coming upon us in a week and a half and with the possibility of also doing something for the Saturday Stroll, we should find out who's interested in being in the DADA committee for August. Following up on yesterday's meeting minutes > about Art Murmur (https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom), please let Tracy (kinetical at comcast.net) and/or me know and we'll start off the planning discussion. > > -Eddan > [7/2012 DADA collaborator] > > > On 6/23/12 5:37 PM, Tracy Jacobs wrote: > > Welcome Hilary! > > > > So about the Art Murmur membership, I don't see anything on here that > > would exclude us, it might require some small time committments from > > people to have the "gallery" open. In theory the gallery could just > > be the box office, with a rotating show. > > > > http://oaklandartmurmur.org/get-involved/become-a-member-gallery > > > > The other thing though is there is a fee, it's pretty cheap for an > > organization, but too much for me to pay alone. $100 one time > > application fee and then 175 a year membership. Perhaps we can > > consider this at a future business meeting. > > > > I have yet to hear from any of you about your plans for the July 6th > > Art Murmur? Is anybody working today ? > > > > Tracy > _______________________________________________ > Artmurmur mailing list > Artmurmur(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/artmurmur

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Fwd: 3/2013 Statement, 2141 Broadway

by mattsenate＠gmail.com

// Matt ----- Forwarded message ----- From: "Laurie Cooperman Rosen" <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> To: <exchequer(a)sudoroom.org> Cc: <eddan(a)eddan.com>, <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> Subject: 3/2013 Statement, 2141 Broadway Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 4:04 PM Hi All- Attached please find The Sudo Room invoice for March. Thank you! Laurie

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Meeting tonight - Please add to agenda

by Marina Kukso

Hi everyone, Meeting this evening at 7PM. Please add to the agenda here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom Marina

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Fwd: programming classes for kids -- need input on a venue!

by rusty lindgren

Hey Everyone, Does everyone want to do a fund-raiser/linux install athon with RoShamboMedia, so that we can have laptops for checking-in-checking out for sudoroom classes?(see specs inline) These are actually nice laptops, but they aren't worth a whole lot(maybe 200 complete tops), so theft wouldn't be a big issue. This would be a great deal for teaching classes and etc. for everyone at sudo. Let me know and thanks, Rusty ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] programming classes for kids -- need input on a venue! To: Max Ogden <max(a)maxogden.com> Max/ Marina: For whatever purpose we need laptops, I asked around today, and I can get a single lot of thinkpads for about 50 bucks each if we buy a lot of 10, they are dual core 12" screens(no hard drives)... we can get these too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WD-Western-Digital-SSD-D0015SI-5000-SiliconDrive-II… Maybe it's time for a roshambo sudo fundraiser to get laptops? -Rusty On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Max Ogden <max(a)maxogden.com> wrote: > very cool, thanks Dan! Malonga sounds ideal, as does LOLSpace. if > computers are in short supply at the venue I also have a crazy plan worked > out involving raspberry pis that could work as well... > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Daniel Finlay <namelessdan(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> I'll throw this by my supervisors as a possible event to host at the >> computer lab at Malonga Recreation Center, which is downtown, and I believe >> is going unused on Saturdays right now. >> >> -Dan >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Agreed that free school is a great avenue to pursue as well. >> >> Also, Rusty, let's talk about computer donations. This is a goal of mine >> for sudo. >> >> Additionally, at Oak Wiki this weekend we worked on this, which I hope >> can be useful: http://oaklandwiki.org/Free_Computer_Access_in_Oakland >> >> Finally, if neither Sudo nor free school nor LOL are available or ideal, >> I encourage you to reach out to libraries and rec centers. I can help with >> contacts there. >> >> This idea is at the intersection of a lot of what we've been talking >> about in the extended sudo community...maybe it could even be a way that we >> begin to engage BACH<http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Consortium_of_Hackerspaces> >> . >> >> >> Marina >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM, William Budington <bill(a)inputoutput.io>wrote: >> >>> Our working relationship with the freeschool that just moved into one of >>> the big rooms is quite good. They've offered us to basically just use >>> their space whenever we want and they don't have an event going on. >>> This seems right up their alley too - maybe we can book their space for >>> a joint sudoroom freeschool event? >>> >>> Sounds like a great event! Maybe we should have a pre-event to install >>> all the necessary software (ide / editors) on the computers first? >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> On 02/26/2013 11:51 AM, Max Ogden wrote: >>> > sudoers! >>> > >>> > I have been meaning to start teaching programming classes to kids for >>> free >>> > -- a la http://coderdojo.com/ (the founder is a friend of mine -- I >>> > actually toured him around oakland last year on my tandem bicycle >>> which is >>> > when this crazy idea was born) >>> > >>> > The only thing keeping me from doing it is having access to a venue >>> that: >>> > >>> > - is near public transportation >>> > - is preferably between downtown and fruitvale somewhere (e.g. >>> centrally >>> > located) as to not make the trip too far for people living on extreme >>> ends >>> > of the city >>> > >>> > and a plus would a place that already has 10+ working computers set up >>> that >>> > random kids would be allowed to use on saturday afternoons (e.g. a >>> software >>> > company office). usually coder dojos expect kids to bring their own >>> laptops >>> > but I'd like to be able to offer computers for kids to use since >>> > >>> > after a venue is figured out I will organize mentors to help teach and >>> > sponsors to buy food every week, in addition to organizing the >>> curriculum >>> > >>> > we could do it at sudoroom except I'm concerned about how hectic it >>> gets on >>> > the weekend and how a buncha kids would be distracted the whole time >>> -- but >>> > I could totally be wrong on this one. maybe sudoroom will expand into >>> one >>> > of the bigger rooms soon? >>> > >>> > max >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > -- Cheers, Rusty Lindgren ** -- Cheers, Rusty Lindgren **

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Hack The Gallery

by Patrick Schmidt

Hi guys, (all sexes) I just came back from the noisebridge to go over some details with Mitch, who checked out my space in berkeley last week. i wanted to announce it Wednesday at the Meeting but as you are talking about Friday 22nd I have to do it now: So I am running this community Art Gallery called the "Open Fine Art Gallery" in the storage room of the vacant Oaks Theatre in north Berkeley, 2 miles north of downtown. As an art gallery its fun to bring people together, lots of new artists that never showed before, but nothing sells and financially it really sucks to be honest, all savings almost gone. We have been transitioning to a community center, every open day (wed-sat) there is a free and donation based class... On Friday March 22 we have a Fundraiser and Kick-Off coming up and we are going to declare the Space a quantum community space, which means a superposition of - hackerspace -makerspace -tinkerspace -co-creator space - coworking space -developer space - you name it whatever space - avocado institute - nyan cat university and whatever the people who use it as a creative community space want to call it (declare it sudo!?) I have been asking some folks that opened community spaces to give talks as well and want to announce that anybody who wants to give a talk on - opening a community space - why a community space is awesome please let me know for the awesome people in our community who have awesome stuff to share about this and might wanna do so. With or without Powerpoint, well planned or spontaneouly. The place has a huge potential (45 feet high walls, vacant theatre next door) So I would like to invite you all to the Kick-Off Event, and also to be part of transition, please let me know if you wanna get involved. best , Patrick 2013/2/26, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>: > For anyone who watched TPB_AFK last week. If you are interested, you can > throw some money at the creators of the film here > http://watch.tpbafk.tv/or at least sign up for the email list. > > --Andrew > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM, :::Marty::: <mrwood(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I can bring speakers for Friday! >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: >> >>> +1 for Friday evening. Anyone have speakers they could loan? We have an >>> awesome projector, but dinky sound. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jenny Ryan >>> <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> The wikitown meetings are on hold unless folks decide to meet without >>>> Evan and I, as we're both maxed out on bandwidth atm :/ >>>> >>>> This evening I am attending an OpenOakland project meetup at City Hall. >>>> I would *love love love* to watch the film on Friday evening; the only >>>> scheduled activity for which being Hacker Happy Hour with our very >>>> first >>>> homebrewed subiir! :D >>>> >>>> Jenny >>>> http://jennyryan.net >>>> http://thepyre.org >>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org >>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com >>>> >>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` >>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." >>>> -Laurie Anderson >>>> >>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining >>>> it." >>>> -Hannah Arendt >>>> >>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." >>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé >>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM, rusty lindgren >>>> <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Marty, >>>>> >>>>> There is only one thing happening until 8:30 tonight . I'm sure the >>>>> maker-village group wouldn't mind moving to one room or the >>>>> other(whichever >>>>> is convenient), while we watched the movie. We could also do it after >>>>> 8:30pm. >>>>> >>>>> I really want to see it, but if Friday works better, I suppose that's >>>>> fine too. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Rusty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Morten H. D. Fuglsang < >>>>> vallebo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hai -- Friday works for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, :::Marty::: >>>>>> <mrwood(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Sudoers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A couple of things. I didn't get much of a response for screening >>>>>>> *The >>>>>>> Pirate Bay film* and as Jenny pointed out Tuesdays are super busy. >>>>>>> How does this *Friday 2/22 *work for people? There are no conflicts >>>>>>> i can see on either the Sudo calendar or the Public school. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also i wanted to know that i've acquired a *first aid kit for >>>>>>> Sudoroom* so we can take it off the wish list. Ill bring it in later >>>>>>> in the week. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am also looking for folks interested in *developing The Public >>>>>>> School *website. There are a lot of improvements to be made and >>>>>>> there is a test server already running. The site runs on Drupal. So >>>>>>> if any >>>>>>> dev types have some extra time or interest i can get you access or we >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> do a hackathon to shore up the site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Marty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.resonantcity.net >>>>>>> twitter: @resonantcity <https://twitter.com/#!/resonantcity> , >>>>>>> @uselessunless <https://twitter.com/#!/uselessunless> [ personal ] >>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/ResonantCity<https://www.facebook.com/ResonantCity> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Rusty Lindgren >>>>> ** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------- >>> Andrew Lowe >>> Cell: 831-332-2507 >>> http://roshambomedia.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> www.resonantcity.net >> twitter: @resonantcity <https://twitter.com/#!/resonantcity> , >> @uselessunless <https://twitter.com/#!/uselessunless> [ personal ] >> http://www.facebook.com/ResonantCity<https://www.facebook.com/ResonantCity> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com >

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Re: [sudo-discuss] TPB_AFK and other questions

by Jenny Ryan

The wikitown meetings are on hold unless folks decide to meet without Evan and I, as we're both maxed out on bandwidth atm :/ This evening I am attending an OpenOakland project meetup at City Hall. I would *love love love* to watch the film on Friday evening; the only scheduled activity for which being Hacker Happy Hour with our very first homebrewed subiir! :D Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Marty, > > There is only one thing happening until 8:30 tonight . I'm sure the > maker-village group wouldn't mind moving to one room or the other(whichever > is convenient), while we watched the movie. We could also do it after > 8:30pm. > > I really want to see it, but if Friday works better, I suppose that's fine > too. > > Thanks, > > Rusty > > > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Morten H. D. Fuglsang <vallebo(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Hai -- Friday works for me. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, :::Marty::: <mrwood(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Sudoers >>> >>> A couple of things. I didn't get much of a response for screening *The >>> Pirate Bay film* and as Jenny pointed out Tuesdays are super busy. How >>> does this *Friday 2/22 *work for people? There are no conflicts i can >>> see on either the Sudo calendar or the Public school. >>> >>> >>> Also i wanted to know that i've acquired a *first aid kit for Sudoroom*so we can take it off the wish list. Ill bring it in later in the week. >>> >>> I am also looking for folks interested in *developing The Public School >>> *website. There are a lot of improvements to be made and there is a >>> test server already running. The site runs on Drupal. So if any dev types >>> have some extra time or interest i can get you access or we could do a >>> hackathon to shore up the site. >>> >>> Best, >>> Marty >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> www.resonantcity.net >>> twitter: @resonantcity <https://twitter.com/#!/resonantcity> , >>> @uselessunless <https://twitter.com/#!/uselessunless> [ personal ] >>> http://www.facebook.com/ResonantCity<https://www.facebook.com/ResonantCity> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > > > -- > Cheers, > > Rusty Lindgren > ** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >

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magstripe reader/writer missing?

by William Budington

Hey all, I donated a magstripe reader/writer to the space on Thursday, the MSRW206. I came in today to label it, and it's gone. Has anyone seen it? Please let me know so we can use it for the door or other innocuous purposes ;)

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Nerd Nite east bay tomorrow at 7pm

by Naomi Most

Greetings, Tomorrow will be this month's installment of Nerd Nite East Bay. The Nerd Nite franchise puts on good shows and is generally a safe bet for supernerdiness combined with alcohol, or either one of those by themselves depending on personal preference. The SF Nerd Nite almost always sells out, but the East Bay version is only just getting started. I went to last month's episode, and it was Good. However, I think THIS month is going to be Great. They'll have Jessica Richman from uBiome, one of the guys on the Curiosity (Mars rover) team, and something about fabrication (not my bag but I'm sure it'll be fun anyway): http://www.bayareascience.org/calendar/index.php?com=detail&eID=9578 And it occurs to me that much of this will come as no news to some of you. (In remotely related news, this message constitutes my first email to the sudo-discuss list.) Anyway, there's a small chance I will not make it due to utter exhaustion from overcommitting myself (as usual), but if I know some of y'all will be there, I'll plan my stimulant intake accordingly. Cheers, Naomi

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Announcing: sudo-radio and sudo-crowd

by Jenny Ryan

Two new mailing lists have been set up this month: *sudo-radio*: for organizing sudo radio scheduling, equipment, etc; *sudo-crowd*: for discussions around crowdfunding sudo room projects and hacking the economy generally. sign up here if interested in being a part of those conversations: http://lists.sudoroom.org /jnny

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 169

by Cyrus Farivar

I can kick in $5. --- Sent from my iPhone Cyrus Farivar +1 510 394 5485 (US) http://arstechnica.com/author/cyrus-farivar/ On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:24, "sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org> wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 6 beautiful mahogany pews for sudo room. Free! > (Patrik D'haeseleer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:24:33 -0800 > From: "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd(a)gmail.com> > To: Ray Lai <raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Sudo room <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] 6 beautiful mahogany pews for sudo room. > Free! > Message-ID: > <CAKOjizOiMcFb3HnEndja9KqM3Y32_KF+ipuBZn8KkPmEkgW=7g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sounds great! Do the U-Haul and go get them while they're still available. > I'm sure we can scrape together $110. If not, I'll cover it. > > Patrik > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Ray Lai <raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Heres the saga thusly: >> >> There are 6 pews for free in vallejo. They are a beautiful mahogany with >> orange/red seating. They are 16 feet long. >> >> Marty was going to haul them with his truck but unfortunately the bed is >> too short. :( >> >> So we turned to Craigslist for a mover. We found one who would do it for >> $60! Woot! We had it set up for 9 this morning. He calls at 8 and says his >> truck bed is too small. :( >> >> So we looked up prices from U-Haul. $30 bucks for a 17' moving van. Sounds >> perfect. Unfortunately the fine print says U-haul charges $1 a mile. >> Vallejo is apprx. 30 miles away. So we are looking at something around >> $100-$110 with gas & bridge. >> >> So any ideas, Sudoers? Anyone have access to a flat-bed? Or want to chip >> into the cost of the U-Haul? The church lady was so nice; she said she >> would hold them for another day if we could get it together. When I >> remarked on her niceness she said it was the "Jesus" in her. :) >> >> Ideas? >> >> (Tenacious) Ray Lai >> Ice Cream Man >> Atomic Ice Cream >> Facebook.com/MotoAtomico >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >

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Arduino current protection code?

by Tracy Jacobs

Hi all and Jake if you get this, Does anyone know the bit of code for protecting your arduino from current spikes? I could use that now. I'm trying to run a bunch of heavy duty servos with a bit of a load. They have a separate power supply, but I'm not using any motor controller. Does this seem like a bad idea? Could that little code provide enough protection from current spikes? Thanks for your advice, Tracy Thanks for your advice.

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Sudo Needs Your Help

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, At the last meeting I proposed we return to a practice of developing specific action items with corresponding members for each item. You can see them here: http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013-02-20 I'd like to do this again, but for much bigger items: 1. Door Access Automation version 0.2 2. Fiscal Solvency Improvements 3. Membership process 4. sudoroom.org version 2.0 Add notes and read more here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom I'm happy to help facilitate and keep track of progress on more things, but inversely, I need more help from other members to implement solutions (which are hopefully simple, elegant systems). // Matt

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 198

by Cyrus Farivar

I'd be down to volunteer for something out on the streets. Manning a table or whatever. -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Monday, February 25, 2013 at 9:51 AM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Art Murmur First Friday, March 1 (Eddan Katz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:51:30 -0800 > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> > To: "artmurmur(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:artmurmur@lists.sudoroom.org)" <artmurmur(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:artmurmur@lists.sudoroom.org)>, > sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > Subject: [sudo-discuss] Art Murmur First Friday, March 1 > Message-ID: <48454D01-F7AD-4AF8-A0C2-581E4415AB45(a)clear.net (mailto:48454D01-F7AD-4AF8-A0C2-581E4415AB45@clear.net)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Dear Sudo folk. > > Any suggestions, volunteers, or plans in the works for Art Murmur this Friday? > > Please reply to the artmurmur(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:artmurmur@lists.sudoroom.org) list. > > > sent from eddan.com (http://eddan.com) > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > End of sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 198 > ******************************************** > >

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Art Murmur First Friday, March 1

by Eddan Katz

Dear Sudo folk. Any suggestions, volunteers, or plans in the works for Art Murmur this Friday? Please reply to the artmurmur(a)lists.sudoroom.org list. sent from eddan.com

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sudo room is open

by Marina Kukso

will be here all day. marina

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Open Source Desktop Biotech lab

by Anthony Di Franco

By the way, we also have a sub-list for discussing this sort of thing, more focused on medical device technology, medevice@googlegroups<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/medevice> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Ryan Bethencourt < ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Marc, Anthony and I have been talking about starting up an initiative to > build a desktop open source biotech lab set up (an evolution of the current > open source movement) so that we could open up the world of biotech to all > hobbists not just those with access to labs. > > At the moment we're thinking of starting small and simple with a small > desktop lab that would allow you to transform bacteria to express green > florescent protein (i.e. they would glow) but hopefully expanding out to > bigger and more important projects to open up the world of biotech science > to amateurs (and hopefully the development of therapeutics to treat > disease). > > We're currently considering having our first meet up to discuss the > project this upcoming Friday evening. Is anyone else interested in joining? > > All the best, > Ryan > > > > -- > Ryan Bethencourt > > Tel: (415) 794 6463 > ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com > > www.bamh1.com > www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt > www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Crowdsourcing a "safe space" definition

by Anthony Di Franco

I forked this a long time ago, but now I've edited and committed. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In trying to resolve some cognitive dissonance over what a "safe > space" means, I decided to use an agile coding angle - release early, > release often! To me that means starting with a very simple social > compact and making it a github repo: > https://github.com/yardenac/progressive-social-compact > > The first commit reflects my own biases, obviously. > > This is very experimental, but my hope is that eventually this or > forks of it can be "included" by tag or reference in the Sudoroom > compact, irc channel rules and other kinds of community agreements. > Patches/pulls/branches/forks are encouraged! > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >

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A random email poll about dues - please respond!

by Tommy York

Hello again, I have a couple questions for dues-paying members: 1) How have you paid dues in the past? (Cash, check, other? I don't even know what the options are yet at this moment.) 2) How would you like to pay dues? I'd love to see an easy, online option for donations up on our website (maybe this exists, but a quick glance at the website does not reveal anything, and assuming your average sudoer or outsider isn't going to search for it) but as I understand it, people may have some thoughts on what that option would look like, leading me to ask question 3: 3) What are you constraints on option 2? Would you prefer using non-profit / cooperative / what have you funding options - or the lack thereof, and thus check and cash - over for profit funding options? 4) Comments on various means of communication about dues, what's worked, what hasn't, what you'd like to see. This is a non-committal, information gathering exercise. Looking forward to h^3, Tommy ----------------- Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510 http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork

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A Hacker's DYI wooden iphone?

by Ibrahim Moss

http://www.fastcodesign.com/1671907/eden-a-hacker-brand-for-remaking-your-i…

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Movie @ Hacker Happy Hour... Start later?

by rusty lindgren

Hey Everyone, Can we start the movie later, rather than ealirer, because I won't be up there for another hour or so? Does anyone care if I watch it and work :D ? -- Cheers, Rusty Lindgren **

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 180

by Cyrus Farivar

I used it to kick in $10/mo. Seemed easy enough. -C -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Friday, February 22, 2013 at 5:50 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: A random email poll about dues - please respond! (Tommy York) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:50:19 -0800 > From: Tommy York <tommy.york(a)gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com)> > To: Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com (mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com)> > Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] A random email poll about dues - please > respond! > Message-ID: > <CAMm6+WZAJ08CJnHp8QzgZ2SMWoo5vdo9UmavM=ZCWMD4yEAmfw(a)mail.gmail.com (mailto:ZCWMD4yEAmfw@mail.gmail.com)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" > > Can I actually still just ask people how the experience has been with WePay > and what they think about it? > > I really like the fundraising target and amount raised component of WePay, > pretty sweet. > > Also, can I solicit feedback on a proposal to tweak the primary website to > add a membership tab describing, at the very least, how one becomes a > member, even if it's "come to our wednesday meeting and ask us about it." > > ----------------- > Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510 > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york(a)gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > WePay, didn't even see that. Thank you. > > > > ----------------- > > Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510 > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com (mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > Donate button on right hand side of site! Recurring payments option > > > available. Thanks for all your awesome help Tommy! > > > On Feb 22, 2013 5:19 PM, "Tommy York" <tommy.york(a)gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello again, > > > > > > > > I have a couple questions for dues-paying members: > > > > > > > > 1) How have you paid dues in the past? (Cash, check, other? I don't even > > > > know what the options are yet at this moment.) > > > > > > > > 2) How would you like to pay dues? > > > > > > > > I'd love to see an easy, online option for donations up on our website > > > > (maybe this exists, but a quick glance at the website does not reveal > > > > anything, and assuming your average sudoer or outsider isn't going to > > > > search for it) but as I understand it, people may have some thoughts on > > > > what that option would look like, leading me to ask question 3: > > > > > > > > 3) What are you constraints on option 2? Would you prefer using > > > > non-profit / cooperative / what have you funding options - or the lack > > > > thereof, and thus check and cash - over for profit funding options? > > > > > > > > 4) Comments on various means of communication about dues, what's worked, > > > > what hasn't, what you'd like to see. > > > > > > > > This is a non-committal, information gathering exercise. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to h^3, > > > > Tommy > > > > ----------------- > > > > Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510 > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 173

by Cyrus Farivar

What's the best way to contribute? WePay? --- Sent from my iPhone Cyrus Farivar +1 510 394 5485 (US) http://arstechnica.com/author/cyrus-farivar/ On Feb 22, 2013, at 15:01, "sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org> wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Pews (hol(a)gaskill.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:01:02 +0000 (UTC) > From: hol(a)gaskill.com > To: raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com > Cc: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org, cfarivar(a)gmail.com > Subject: [sudo-discuss] Pews > Message-ID: <685586819.57417.1361574062705.JavaMail.mail@webmail09> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Awesome find! Now we can all toss a fiver in the collection plate and receive our blessed communion of subiir and corn chips in the church of kopimism. May information be with you, and also with you...and you... > > Hol > > Feb 22, 2013 01:56:00 PM, raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com wrote: > Sudo Room, Patrik & Cyrus, >> >> Due to Patrik & Cyrus' generosity, Sam & I are renting the UHaul & going to the fine Folks at the Evangelical Temple. >> >> Sudo Room is getting some pews! >> >> Let's find a way to defray some of the cost; if u got a lil, give a lil. :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Raymond Lai >> Ice Cream Man >> Atomic Ice Cream >> Facebook.com/MotoAtomico >> >> On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Cyrus Farivar cfarivar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I can kick in $5. >>> >>> --- >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> Cyrus Farivar >>> +1 510 394 5485 (US) >>> http://arstechnica.com/author/cyrus-farivar/ >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:24, "sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org" >>> sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: 6 beautiful mahogany pews for sudo room. Free! >>>> (Patrik D'haeseleer) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:24:33 -0800 >>>> From: "Patrik D'haeseleer" patrikd(a)gmail.com> >>>> To: Ray Lai raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com> >>>> Cc: Sudo room sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] 6 beautiful mahogany pews for sudo room. >>>> Free! >>>> Message-ID: >>>> CAKOjizOiMcFb3HnEndja9KqM3Y32_KF+ipuBZn8KkPmEkgW=7g(a)mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> Sounds great! Do the U-Haul and go get them while they're still available. >>>> I'm sure we can scrape together $110. If not, I'll cover it. >>>> >>>> Patrik >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Ray Lai raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Heres the saga thusly: >>>>> >>>>> There are 6 pews for free in vallejo. They are a beautiful mahogany with >>>>> orange/red seating. They are 16 feet long. >>>>> >>>>> Marty was going to haul them with his truck but unfortunately the bed is >>>>> too short. :( >>>>> >>>>> So we turned to Craigslist for a mover. We found one who would do it for >>>>> $60! Woot! We had it set up for 9 this morning. He calls at 8 and says his >>>>> truck bed is too small. :( >>>>> >>>>> So we looked up prices from U-Haul. $30 bucks for a 17' moving van. Sounds >>>>> perfect. Unfortunately the fine print says U-haul charges $1 a mile. >>>>> Vallejo is apprx. 30 miles away. So we are looking at something around >>>>> $100-$110 with gas & bridge. >>>>> >>>>> So any ideas, Sudoers? Anyone have access to a flat-bed? Or want to chip >>>>> into the cost of the U-Haul? The church lady was so nice; she said she >>>>> would hold them for another day if we could get it together. When I >>>>> remarked on her niceness she said it was the "Jesus" in her. :) >>>>> >>>>> Ideas? >>>>> >>>>> (Tenacious) Ray Lai >>>>> Ice Cream Man >>>>> Atomic Ice Cream >>>>> Facebook.com/MotoAtomico >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>>

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