sudo-discuss

sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org

8 participants
7256 discussions

Column: The case for employee-owned companies

by Romy Ilano

This isn't something I'm interested in but thought it'd be interesting to the cool Sudoroom folks http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/column-the-case-for-employee-owned… Column: The case for employee-owned companies Making Sen$e’s segment on the 100 percent worker-owned New Belgium Brewing stirred some interest in the concept of employee stock ownership. David Ellerman explains the theory behind employee-owned companies. Photo by Flickr user +Russ. Editor’s Note: Our story on Colorado’s 100 percent worker-owned company New Belgium Brewing has stirred some interest in the concept of employee stock ownership. We didn’t have time, however, to explore a particularly provocative and arguably profound voice on the issue, David Ellerman, based at the University of California, Riverside. Ellerman has for years made an argument as startling as it is hard to refute: “the labor theory of property.” It’s that employees should own the firms they work for because of very simple logic: If they’re responsible for the consequences of their actions while on the job ― committing a crime, say ― how can it be that they’re not responsible for the positive things they do, such as making money? Ellerman’s writing on “the labor theory of property” has mostly been for a technical audience. I asked him if he wouldn’t mind trying to make his argument in a more popular way for the Making Sen$e page. Here’s what he sent us. ― Paul Solman, Economics Correspondent You are called in for jury duty. You protest to the judge that you are not a lawyer. How can you be expected to make a legal decision? But the judge points out that the jury is not there to interpret the law but to make a decision about the facts. Is the defendant in fact responsible for committing the crime as charged ― or not? Guilty or not guilty? The legal system then assigns the legal responsibility according to the jury’s decision about the factual responsibility. That is the basic principle of justice: assign the legal responsibility to the people who are in fact responsible for the deeds in question. With that principle of justice, injustice falls into two categories: assigning legal responsibility to a defendant who was not in fact responsible for the crime ― that is, convicting an innocent person, or not assigning legal responsibility to a defendant who was in fact responsible ― that is, not convicting a guilty person. There is something else to notice about the basic norm of justice. Criminals have their “tools of the trade,” which can be quite important in committing crimes. But tools cannot be factually responsible for committing a crime, only people. For example, guns can’t be responsible for killing people, but people find it much easier to kill someone, deliberately or accidentally, if guns are available. Thus, regardless of the tools, instruments or other things being used in committing a crime, only the people committing the crime are in fact responsible for it. This basic principle of justice ― assign legal responsibility according to factual responsibility ― is used by the courts of law, but there’s no reason this principle should be applied only to negative results like crimes or misdeeds. When people deliberately produce something positive, shouldn’t they also get the legal “credit” or “ownership” of that result? The justice principle can thus be seen as applying to both positive and negative results of all responsible human actions. But there is a problem ― our current economic system does not follow the justice principle. In the previous system ― prior to the arrival of modern democracy ― masters could own other people involuntarily (the slaves). Thankfully, that system was abolished. But voluntariness was not the key issue since the contract to voluntarily sell oneself into slavery was also abolished along with involuntary slavery. In the current economic system, people rent themselves out to an “employer.” As the late Paul Samuelson of MIT, the first American Nobel Prize winner in economics, put it in his widely-used textbook: Since slavery was abolished, …[a] man is not even free to sell himself: he must rent himself at a wage. This use of the word “rent” may be jarring, but it is accurate. Americans refer to “rental cars” and the British refer to “hire cars,” but both are talking about the same thing where the renter is not buying the car, but only buying some of its services. Renting something is buying its services. Our current employment system of renting, hiring or employing people conflicts with the justice principle. In a factory operating under the employment relation, the people working in the factory jointly produce whatever is the product. Consider a company that produces widgets, for example. Those widgets are the positive results of their responsible actions. But to produce the widgets, they must jointly use up raw materials, intermediate goods, machinery and other resources. Those used-up resources are the negative results of their responsible actions. But the people working in the enterprise do not jointly have legal ownership of the widgets they produce, and they do not jointly bear the expenses for the resources (raw materials, intermediate goods, etc.) they use to produce the widgets. Instead, it is the employer who owns the widgets and pays off the non-labor costs for the used resources. The rented people, the employees, are seen simply as the providers of just another resource ― known in this case, as labor services. The employer pays off the liability for using that resource by paying the labor costs ― the wages and salaries. Hence, the employment system seems to involve a mismatch between legal responsibility and factual responsibility. While the positive and negative legal responsibility goes to the (working or absentee) employer, the positive and negative factual responsibility is with both the working employer and the employees. The renting of people certainly seems to violate the standard justice principle of assigning legal responsibility in accordance to factual responsibility. But the employees are said to voluntarily give up their responsibility for the results of their “labor services.” How can one “give up” factual responsibility? Consider the case of an employee who commits a crime at the instruction of the employer. Certainly then the employee really does want to voluntarily give up and transfer away any factual responsibility for the results of his labor services. But there is no such escape. The legal system then recognizes that the “employment” of one’s own actions cannot be voluntarily transferred to another person. One could transfer the use of one’s car or shovel to another person, but not the “employment” of one’s self. As a British law book on the employer-employee relation puts it (using the old-speak of “master and servant”): All who participate in a crime with a guilty intent are liable to punishment. A master and servant who so participate in a crime are liable criminally, not because they are master and servant, but because they jointly carried out a criminal venture and are both criminous. But what factually changes when the venture being jointly carried out is not criminal? Do the employees suddenly turn into non-responsible robots employed by their employer? Presumably employees are just as much factually responsible for their deliberate actions when they produce widgets as when they commit crimes. It is the response of the legal system that changes ― when no crime is committed, the legal system sees no reason to intervene to explicitly apply the justice principle it has so clearly established in ordinary trials. The system then accepts “obeying the employer” as fulfilling the employment contract. There seems to be no breach of the contract ― even though “obeying the employer” didn’t get the criminal employee off the hook. But with no breach or crimes involved, the legal system is silent. It does not intervene to apply the justice principle as it does in a criminal or civil trial. The end result is that the employer ends up paying off all the costs of the used-up resources, including the wage payments for the employees’ labor services, and thus owning all the widgets produced. But the employer is not in fact solely responsible for using up those resources or for producing that product ― so this adds up to a violation of the justice principle. The justice principle says that all the expenses for the used-up resources and all the revenues from owning and selling the widgets should go to the factually responsible party, which would be all the people working in the enterprise. This violation is built into the whole system of renting people ― even if voluntarily. Should that be surprising? We are accustomed to condemn slavery for being involuntary, but would owning other people be okay if it were voluntary? Perhaps the basic problem with owning other people was not whether it was involuntary or voluntary, but that it treated people as things. And that is still a problem with the renting of people in our economy. It treats the rented people like non-responsible things whose use or employment can be voluntarily transferred from one person to another like a car or shovel. How can the problem be fixed? Today, the renting, hiring or employing of people seems as “natural” as owning people did before the 19th century. In either case, most people in such a society take it for granted. But what if the abolitionists’ achievement of abolishing the owning of other people was followed up with the “neo-abolitionist” goal of abolishing the renting of other people? It would mean that all the people working together in a given enterprise would be the owners or members of that enterprise. They would jointly own what they jointly produce, and they would jointly pay off the costs for all the resources that they jointly used. In short, they would jointly own both the positive and negative “fruits of their labor” so private property would be re-founded on the justice principle. The conservative British thinker, Lord Eustace Percy, put the matter very well back in 1944. Here is the most urgent challenge to political invention ever offered to the jurist and the statesman. The human association which in fact produces and distributes wealth, the association of workmen, managers, technicians and directors, is not an association recognised by the law. The association which the law does recognize ― the association of shareholders, creditors and directors ― is incapable of production and is not expected by the law to perform these functions. We have to give law to the real association, and to withdraw meaningless privilege from the imaginary one. It was previously noted that the factually responsible party is the community of all the people working in the enterprise, which Lord Percy called the “human association which in fact produces and distributes wealth.” That community is not even recognized as a legal party in the current system. “The association which the law does recognise” is (typically) the corporation-as-employer in the employer-employer relationship. The closest legal form we have today where the factually responsible party is also the legally responsible party would be worker cooperatives (like the Mondragon cooperatives in the Basque country in Spain) or the “employee-owned” companies like the 7,000 or so Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs) across the United States (at least where 100 percent of the stock is in the ESOP trust for the employees). With those legal forms, the “association which the law does recognise” is also the “human association which in fact produces and distributes wealth.” That arrangement satisfies the justice principle. Sent from my iPhone

9 years, 2 months

Job (New York): Senior Policy Analyst- Workforce Development - idealist.org

by Romy Ilano

This isn't something that is in my interests but thought Sudoroom people might like it :: http://www.idealist.org/view/job/Kkw4Xcsx93xd/ Sent from my iPhone

9 years, 2 months

request for help

by johanna faust

if anyone has a place for me to tow the bmw that i am selling as is please respond -- it is at risk of being towed -- -- *Be seeing you.*

9 years, 2 months

Humans inBetween Homes Dinner Party and Art Show

by Julio Rios

FYI, this is happening at the Omni on December 5.... in case anyone wants to donate. https://www.gofundme.com/tyb2udrg Love, Julio

9 years, 2 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Invoice 1184 from Omni Oakland

by yar

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Charley Sheets <rcsheets(a)acm.org> wrote: > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:58:57 -0800 (PST) > Omni Oakland <quickbooks-email(a)intuit.com> wrote: > >> ------------------------ Invoice Summary -------------------------- >> Invoice # : 1184 >> Invoice Date: 11/17/2015 >> Due Date: 11/27/2015 >> Terms: Net 10 >> Amount Due: $385.33 >> >> The complete version has been provided as an attachment to this email. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This invoice (for utilities, taxes, and insurance) has been paid. Thank you, Charley!! This is such a relief.

9 years, 2 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] [lol-hackers] Fwd: [sfchalkboard] The Oakland Artist Housing and Workspace Survey is now live!

by yar

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Here's a survey by city staff who are apparently crowdsourcing > artist/workspace data as it intersects with gentrifying cost of living and > cost of workspaces (but not obvious demographic factors like race). I'm not > sure what exactly this will accomplish since the damage is already pretty > deep, but there's a section at the end where you can directly share your > thoughts with the city staff running the survey. I really let them have it!! > :] Thank you Vicky! I would love to know what you said to them. :)

9 years, 2 months

Fwd: [sfchalkboard] The Oakland Artist Housing and Workspace Survey is now live!

by Vicky Knox

Here's a survey by city staff who are apparently crowdsourcing artist/workspace data as it intersects with gentrifying cost of living and cost of workspaces (but not obvious demographic factors like race). I'm not sure what exactly this will accomplish since the damage is already pretty deep, but there's a section at the end where you can directly share your thoughts with the city staff running the survey. I really let them have it!! :] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:47 PM Subject: [sfchalkboard] The Oakland Artist Housing and Workspace Survey is now live! To: sfchalkboard <sfchalkboard(a)lists.riseup.net> Hello chalkies, Just passing this important survey along. https://oakland.granicusideas.com/surveys/artist-housing-and-workspace-surv… If you want to share the Facebook link you can find it here: https://www.facebook.com/OaklandArts-196872017003005/ Thanks!

9 years, 2 months

Invoice 1184 from Omni Oakland

by Omni Oakland

Dear Sudo Room, Here's your invoice! We appreciate your prompt payment. Thanks for your business! Omni Oakland ------------------------ Invoice Summary -------------------------- Invoice # : 1184 Invoice Date: 11/17/2015 Due Date: 11/27/2015 Terms: Net 10 Amount Due: $385.33 The complete version has been provided as an attachment to this email. ---------------------------------------------------------------------

9 years, 2 months

Fwd: [omni-helpdesk] How to Build Better Hacking Communities

by Sadie Harmon

This came through the helpdesk, FYI: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andy <cmtyresearch(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:56 PM Subject: [omni-helpdesk] How to Build Better Hacking Communities To: info(a)omnicommons.org Hi Omni Commons, We are running a *paid* research study and looking for people who are active volunteers in the intersection between hardware/software (e.g. maker communities, raspberry pi etc.) to talk to about their experiences as volunteers in maker communities / fablab communities. The study is for a large open source company and the goal is to understand how to create better experiences for volunteer contributors in open source and education focused, technology communities. To take part it requires 1 hour of your time over a video call (skype or similar). We will be able to reimburse you for your time with a $75 gift certificate to Amazon.com. If interested, please fill out this short form: http://goo.gl/forms/Y4chIu53pZ We thought this might be of interest for contributors in your community and where hoping you could help us spread the word by sharing to your community. Your time would be greatly appreciated! Don't forget to fill it out :) https://docs.google.com/forms/d/13dl2QrtKN_sbHKjxQEkixDINeDjzNj3KxSZFDgs8Tx… Best regards, Andy _______________________________________________ helpdesk mailing list helpdesk(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/helpdesk

9 years, 2 months

Invoice 1172 from Omni Oakland

by Omni Oakland

Dear Sudo Room, Here's your invoice! We appreciate your prompt payment. Thanks for your business! Omni Oakland ------------------------ Invoice Summary -------------------------- Invoice # : 1172 Invoice Date: 11/17/2015 Due Date: 11/27/2015 Terms: Net 10 Amount Due: $2,000.00 The complete version has been provided as an attachment to this email. ---------------------------------------------------------------------

9 years, 2 months

Jump to page:

2025

2024

2023

2022

2021

2020

2019

2018

2017

2016

2015

2014

2013

sudo-discuss