hi everyone,
my friend david has an excellent suggestion regarding the people's
community market. i vote we join forces :) please see below.
- marina
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From: David Wild <davidnorbertwild(a)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:06 AM
Subject: [spaghettinight] [ot] people's community market
To: "spaghettinight(a)tentacle.net" <spaghettinight(a)tentacle.net>
Hi all,
I'm attending an info session this Wednesday to learn more about the
People's Community Market. Anyone want to come with me? They have them
every Wednesday 4-5pm in downtown Oakland;
peoplescommunitymarket.com/2012/10/23/weekly-info-session/ .
I was thinking it would be cool to gather funds to have a joint donation.
The investment returns ("3% annual compound interest and 1% store credit")
could be then used for future Spaghetti costs (noodles, wine, etc) or other
further investments (tiny house village, bobby's brewery/skate park, etc).
But before I make any formal propositions I thought going to an info
session would be useful.
If you are interested, they ask that you please RSVP at the link above.
If you don't know anything about the project yet:
http://peoplescommunitymarket.com/
Also, if you have insider info that I'm blind to right now--please let me
know what you know!
Best,
David
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Regarding negativity... At various hackerspaces I've been to I've had
people abruptly come up to me and rant about their left wing political
cause or gender issues or belief about Gmo food or political party
This is something I do too. I'm becoming more mindful but it's some,thing
to be aware of wig regard to welcoming minorities etc
Getting lectured by a fatherly left wing guy is a common trope for me,...
Sometimes these speeches rub me as paternal and cult like
Peace out and hope everyone is having a great Saturday!!! Rock on
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i confess i have no idea how to properly edit the membership wiki to add
my ideas.
So i will just type them here, and maybe someone can help me put them into
the wiki properly.
Sudo room/membership
Do we have it?
I think sudoroom does not currently have a membership structure in place.
We are currently existing in a (most of the time) benevolent anarchy,
resulting from equal parts luck, hard work by caring people, and security
by obscurity.
I think we SHOULD have membership, which is clearly defined and binary
(either you are a member in good standing, or a nonmember for whatever
reason). There should be a list of members which can be publicly
accessed, with enough information about each member that they can be
identified by any member (a description or picture provided by the member
themselves) since we don't all "know" each other.
I think membership should be something that is in exchange for ONGOING
contribution to the community, as defined (continually) by the membership,
on a person by person basis. For example, $10 per month might be accepted
by one person as sufficient, but another person might be required to pay
$40 per month. Or the group can decide that a persons offer to "clear and
sweep the floor once a week" is sufficient.
Also the community should be able to refuse someone's membership, even if
they are a current member who has been making their required contribution.
Also the community should be able to change the requirement from a person
based on information from them or anyone, to a higher or lower or
different requirement. The community should be able to declare that a
person has not fulfilled their requirement and is, until they return to
that requirement, temporarily not a member.
Does it [membership] confer special privelages?
I think that membership should confer special privelages including access
to the space even if it is closed, for any community-approved uses. A
member can be there when no one else is there if they want to be. Also
while anyone can participate in discussions at meetings, only members can
vote (or block consensus items).
I think a member should be able to "sponsor" a nonmember (or multiple of
them) WHILE they are present in the space. This way nonmembers can use
the space any time a member who supports them is present, which should be
easy for nonmembers who use the space properly in a cooperative way. And
for all nonmembers wanting to use the space, their sponsor can help them
use the space properly.
I think that nonmembers should be nominally granted up to 24 added-up
hours of access to the space without a specific sponsor. This part is
subtle and I urge people to think about the total effect of this "pseudo
policy" before objecting. If a nonmember behaves badly before they have
used up 24 hours they can be asked to leave by a member, of course. And
if a nonmember behaves well it is likely that no one will even point out
when their "24 hours" appears to have expired.
are there expectations of members, do they have responsibilities?
I think that all members should promise not to leave the space open
without a member present. This means that when an awesome nonmember is
working on a project and you're the last member and you want to leave, you
have to decide between staying to help them or asking them to return when
the space is open. It is also a good time to remind them that by
contributing in a community-approved way, they can have 24-7 access.
One reason for members making this promise to each other is because
members have accountability to one another, and were approved at a
meeting, and can be contacted with questions by other members, and can be
trusted. However that trust does not extend to strangers and we must
respect the process of meetings and accountability when we are not present
to act as an advocate or translator for a nonmember we want to support.
Some practical reasons for not allowing nonmembers in the space alone
include security of property and materials, projects and tools. But also,
the organization of the space and functionality of it is tied to human
effort to make it a usable space. People who are members are contributors
to the space in one way or another, and they contribute toward the
usability of the space. It isn't fair to our fellow contributors to allow
others to use and take from that space when we ourselves are not willing
to supervise our own guests' use of the space.
How do you become a member?
People who want to become a member of the space must meet members of the
space and learn about membership and the space. They need to announce to
the membership, through the discuss list, that they want to become a
member and answer responses to their post so that members who might come
to a meeting will be satisfied with their reasons for wanting to join.
Also, use of the mailinglist demonstrates a basic ability to communicate
and be accountable to other members in case they are accepted.
After making their desires known, they will come to meetings to get to
know people, and announce that they would like to become a member. They
can discuss with the group what kind of contribution they feel comfortable
making, based on their income or free time levels, and in the case of
nonmonetary contributions, how they propose their contributions be tracked
(could be an email declaring that they cleaned the space at 3PM today and
saw certain members there who saw it happen)
I think that we should not do like noisebridge and expect a secret
discussion, or expect a specific timeline for consideration of membership.
If a person makes their bid for membership on the list and shows up to the
nearest meeting after that, they should not expect to achieve membership
for at least another week while the possiblity for objections is there.
At their first meeting the announcement having been made, one week should
be sufficient time for the membership to bring out any uncertainties.
If a person is a member of the space, they should not have any less
accountability to the space than a nonmember (on the contrary). This
means that a member can be discussed at a meeting for questionable
behavior and if necessary, have their membership revoked by the group.
Consensus Minus One would be nice for this purpose but is too limiting in
practice, because we hackers tend to be contrary and side with the
underdog to a fault. If a large portion of the membership agrees that a
person is not a good fit for the space, the minority should not ask them
to put aside their discomfort without convincing them of the reasons in
dialogue.
Why is this necessary?
As I said in the beginning, i feel that sudoroom is riding on a streak of
luck and hard work at the moment, and that we can't expect this to
continue in the face of entropy. We already have and will continue to see
abuse of the space by people who have no feelings of accountability, and
our members have no recourse or policy to address anything like that. I
know from experience what results from this, and it is sad. The failure
of Sudoroom would not be a sufficiently educational experience to justify
allowing it to happen, when the lessons we would learn have been offered
so many times in other places.
We talk about the challenge of diversity in a hackerspace like ours. One
thing we don't seek is diversity of people who are good and bad for what
we're trying to do. We do not invite drug dealers to sudoroom to sell
meth to people from the street outside, even though it would please them
greatly if they could use our space. We don't invite meth addicts to
browse our hacking materials shelves to find copper and aluminum to
recycle so they can buy more drugs.
We also should not invite people to the space who are unwilling to behave
in a way that is respectful to the members and guests whose interests we
share, and want to share. That means that, despite our aversion to
exclusion, we need to choose between excluding some or excluding others.
For example, if we refuse abusive or disrespectful behavior and those who
insist on it, we create an accessible space for people who avoid that
behavior. If we maintain an atmosphere of cooperation and care for each
other and the hardware that is our space, we invite people from all
backgrounds who seek to do the same things. On the other hand, if we
refuse this responsibility, we allow the tone to be set by those with the
loudest voice, and the least to lose, and the quiet and self-respecting
people will go elsewhere.
I ask that we look to the future to envision the challenges we can expect
as we continue to grow and do more awesome things, and think about what we
hope to achieve. That is why we need to protect ourselves, each other,
and our hackerspace, from complacency and entropy as best we can.
well, I feel that i have said more than enough about it for now, but if
anyone has opinions on this i look forward to continuing the discussion.
- -jake
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From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net>
Date: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Subject: Tenant Statement, 2141 Broadway & Invitations!!
To: exchequer(a)sudoroom.org
Cc: eddan(a)eddan.com, mattsenate(a)gmail.com
Dear Tenants at 2131-2147 Broadway:
I apologize for the group message this month, but my email has been down for
24 hours and I have a limited amount of time in which to send out sooo many
messages!
There are 2 attachments to this email: first, there is your normal monthly
bill. PG&E was lower than normal this month (keep up the good work!),
especially for this time of year!
Next, there is a flyer inviting you to an event that we'll be having at 2141
Broadway on 9/15, from 3-5pm. Abeba Wright, aka "The Krazy Kracker Lady" a
dear friend of mine and well-known author in the raw food world (nationally
and internationally!) will be doing one of her wonderfully creative
lectures/demonstrations in the big space and adjacent front conference room
area. Advance reservations strongly suggested by 9/5 because she needs to
make enough krackers in advance for a lot of folks and making a lot of a
variety of raw "Krackers" takes a lot of time, and she's a master!
Instructions for registering are on the attached flyer. "Raw Daddy", the
equally well-known raw cone-maker filled with the most creative sweet and
savory fillings imaginable will also be on hand for those that want to
purchase his creations. Get ready for a new world of creations to tantalize
your taste buds if you haven't seen these two chefs before!
Then, there is MORE! It is also George's Birthday on 9/15, and we will
segue into a Party for him shortly after the meetup ends, from 6-9pm! There
will be even more food, drink and possibly some live music too! Please join
us for a memorable afternoon and evening of fun! Please RSVP to us as well,
so we can plan for the catering accordingly!
See you soon
Laurie
Hihi,
I'll be doing a foundational bio hacking TIL this sat at sudoroom!
Alexander and Andre who are badass nano-biohackers will be backing me up.
We'll be covering the basics of how DNA, RNA, proteins and gene splicing
works. Hope to see you there! Love and Peace!
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned#September_14_:_Understanding_DNA_…
hi everyone,
a refill of checks that was supposed to be delivered from the bank never
arrived and when jenny went to find out what to do, the bank people said
that it was a high security risk to have checks floating around in the
world tied to our existing account.
unfortunately their solution to this problem is not very elegant. their
official policy is that when this kind of thing happens that they open a
new account with a new account number to avoid any possibility of someone
using the checks to inappropriately draw on the old account.
what this means for us is that we have to *provide them with a list of
things that we are expecting to draw on and go into the old account*
and *redirect
things to the new account*.
so, if you have direct deposit set up to the old account, please let me
know so that we can give them a heads up.
new checks are on their way to the bank and they will let us know when they
arrive.
finally, our current balance is $911.48. please pay your dues.
- marina
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
