26 Nov
2013
26 Nov
'13
11:22 a.m.
Actually, forget the "minimal evidence" part. I'm not sure that kind of
accusation *ever* has a place on a public mailing list.
Your analysis certainly does, though.
Pete
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Cool. I think your points are fair, I just bristled at
the public
accusation that a list member was being racially insensitive, on minimal
evidence.
Pete
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Just because that's the usual context for
gentrification. "pretty mixed"
in that context meant in the interests and jobs of the residents. I meant w
o is already home to many anarchists/ makers/ artists. Not clear though,
fair.
I should look up the race breakdown though. It's 65% black I think and
the rest Asian Latino and white. Not in that order, I don't remember the
order.
On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
> Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed"
> racially and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber
> was talking about black people, and commenting on race?
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
>
> Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of
> them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have
> computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty
> similar to white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow.
>
> In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists
> there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there
> every day if you move to 8th and Alice.
>
> Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful
> effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these
> two specific goals:
> Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing projects move or
> be converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25 years, but still)
> Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of
> w O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no
> reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years
> SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>
> Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for
> myself, the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site
> parking where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero
> incentive or inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to
> work, drive to Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their
> balconies while their neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike
> front doors to the recycling center.
>
> Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of
> community that everybody wants to participate in, but it does offer
> opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to
> imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something
> unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the
> problem.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . <
> amberyadaanimation(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified"
> neighborhood does overlook the possibility that Sudo's presence would have
> a gentrifying effect. Thoughts?
>
> -amber
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
>
> Matt, Jenny and myself went and looked at another space that could
> potentially be a new sudo space.
>
> We've started gathering information about it here:
>
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice
>
> My personal feeling about the space is:
>
> This is an awesome space with lots of natural light. It addresses two of
> the major concerns raised about The Omni in being two blocks from BART in a
> neighborhood that seems/feels safer than the area around MacArthur BART,
> and in being located in a less gentrified neighborhood. The one drawback in
> comparing it to the current space and The Omni is the lack of a big
> separate common area for events. It is _very_ similar to Noisebridge in
> almost every way.
>
> --
> marc/juul
>
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