18 Sep
2013
18 Sep
'13
12:57 a.m.
Friends,
I haven't been by NB in a while. It's a shame the SEM cannot be maintained by the
community. The way I see it, it is sort of a pinnacle of the organization (one of
several). It depends on the whole organization working in concert. It's very hard to
take on ambitious goals at Noisebridge without reliable people, working and organized
tools, and the required infrastructure Mike Kan likes to emphasize. These things have to
come first no matter where the SEM lives. It takes a team to make the organization work
and you are all great people. But we are busy people and the NB org is under siege by C or
D players or worse.
Tangent: I speculate that the best hacker space arrangement might be an old shopping mall.
Each retail storefront is an autonomous hacker space with independent hours and
specialties and rules. A food court in the middle for cross pollination of ideas and so
people can meet or lounge on wifi. Some storefronts in the mall would specialize in
optics, others lasers, others radio, others woodwork, and so on. Some store fronts may be
full blown commercial hardware and electronics stores. Hackers could navigate said mall
with shopping carts to move projects around from space to space and perhaps lend tools
from one space to another like a library book. Security and parking are integrated into
the mall complex. Pickup trucks are available for rent to make dump runs, recycling,
retrieving machinery from the outside world, etc.
I bring this idea to the foreground because its the scenario that I think will support
high science within a mix of public use areas. The high science seems to require full
blown lockdown of a space for cleanliness and security if nothing else. The beauty of
Noisebridge is the melange of people coming together in a place like the Mos Eisley
spaceport cantina and sharing ideas to the point of complete hallucinogenic distraction. I
propose this mall concept as a Request For Comment. It's a fantasy that would support
the high science but not lock out the chaos of public idea cross pollination. Perhaps it
is supported by money. But it could also be supported by the donation of the best ideas to
a central patent office. Perhaps what I am describing is reminiscent of the MIT Media Lab
and their system of taking X percent of a student's patent income. But the comparison
ends there because MIT is an exclusive university and the Media Lab is closed to the
public. I've always felt that the openness of Noisebridge was more important than the
tools inside. If only we could preserve those tools (SEM) in the face of the C player
siege!
Chris
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2013, at 15:16, miloh <froggytoad(a)gmail.com> wrote:
LOL no. No need to get sensational. (you're just
placing yourself in good company with instigators like WR Hearst). Just because they
don't know how or won't learn how to use the SEM, Noisebridge is not a
hackerspace?
Anyways, since there are only 2 or 3 self founded hackerspaces on Earth that I've
heard of even having access to a SEM of their own, I'll just take a step back to say
it will take longer for the use of these kind of tools to take hold and find use in the
hackerspace movement. There are probably a ton of miniSEMS out there waiting in garages
until cadres can take on the responsibility of their care and use. Until then, I won't
stand by if I can prevent these tools from getting damaged.
I already identified the majority of the SEM parts and help is appreciated, but please
don't make a big thing of it. The mini-SEM is intact in the front of Noisebridge by
the welcome desk (!), and there are boxes of equipment in the East end of the space on the
floor by the stairs leading up to the overseer's closet.
Dr X is ahead of his time, who knew?
Back to your regularly scheduled activities.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
perhaps you heard
noisebridge is no longer a hackerspace and is emptying out the science room (where the
SEM was) to make room for a radio studio or dj booth or something. ball pit.
miloh will be moving the SEM to a safe location but if you want to help make sure no
pieces get lost maybe you can help. there are tiny boxes with filaments in them and an
ultrasonic cleaner, probably scattered around the trash pile thats forming at nb now.
they are doing a dump run thursday. the SEM got moved out of its safe place without a
single email about it to anyone that i know of.
so help miloh find all the SEM pieces before its too late!
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Instead of taking the Noisebridge SEM, I have a great idea...
>
> Let's get another SEM!
>
> One of the problems with the Noisebridge SEM is that the community of SEM experts is
too small. So let's enlarge that community
> by getting another.
>
> If you do get the Noisebridge SEM, NB will be out of a significant resource and its
repair and operation are likely to fall on
> the same exact shoulders. You will also encounter ALL of the same problems that NB
has encountered and will need to go to extreme
> effort to build infrastructure around the microscope (which we haven't
completed).
>
> I have a lead on another SEM that would be free. They aren't as rare as you might
think.
>
> In my previous e-mail, which may not have been posted to the sudo room list yet
(I'm not a list member), I didn't understand that
> there was a plan afoot to take the NB SEM (which technically does not belong to NB
anyway, it's on loan). I thought that someone
> named Dr. X was going to donate another SEM to sudo room. I generally disapprove of
dismantling Noisebridge resources.
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 15:25, Ryan Bethencourt <ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Great thanks Jake, we're working on the space thing for CCL and hoping to
have one in the nearish term... it's kind
> of like the early days of Sudo Room when we talked on and on about getting a
space... until we finally got one :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> it is currently in a relatively safe place, especially considering that moving
it is the most dangerous thing
> to it. So it should stay where it is until a new place is chosen for it.
>
> Since Sudoroom doesn't have enough room for it and CCL has NO room yet,
moving it will have to wait.
>
> However, i know of a pickup truck that can be used to move it if and when the
time comes.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Thanks Jake, It looks like we may have to rent a uhaul truck to move it
as it looks large?
> Sounds like Ben has a place for us to store it and we have another
Counter Culture labs
> co-founder/member (Shanee) who knows how to use it and said she could
teach us :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Benjamin Lack <benlack(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> It looks like it would be fine sitting in a garage for a few
months, if so, I have space.
> Ben
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer
<patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> That would be excellent!
>
> Here's the user manual with all the specs:
>
>
https://www.noisebridge.net/images/c/c7/ISI_Mini-TV_SEM_Manual-Troubleshoot…
>
> It's a desktop machine, so doesn't necessarily take up any more
space than some bio equipment.
> Wonder how easy it would be to DIY a gold sputterer...
>
> Patrik
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> I'm sure that Dr. X would be very pleased if it went to Counter
Culture Labs. He just wants
> it to be understood and appreciated, rather than sitting
> neglected. CCL should hurry up and buy the church building before
the price goes up on it,
> and I can help transport it.
>
> It is basically an equipment rack and a cart of accessories, so it
doesn't take up a ton of
> room. But it's good to be able to set the microscope and
> vacuum pump on different structures so that the vibration of the
pump doesn't shake the
> scope. Also, to take higher resolution pictures it will be
> necessary to construct an analog data importer but that will likely
just be a computer with a
> slightly modified sound card and some software.
>
> keep in mind that to view organic (nonmetallic) things you will
need a gold sputterer.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Hi Jake,
> I'd be very happy to help transport the scanning electron
microscope and if
> it can't fit into Sudo Room, I'd also love to float
the idea of potentially
> housing it at Counter Culture Labs (the Sudo room DIY Bio
offshoot) when we
> eventually open up. Any thoughts?
>
> How big is the SEM (I know some of them can be huge which
might prohibit
> location)?
>
> All the best,
> Ryan
>
> Best,
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org>
wrote:
> sudoroom is being offered a scanning electron
microscope (by Dr.
> X).
>
> it comes with all the stuff and actually works, but it
requires
> a bit of knowledge to operate it. unfortunately Mr. X
is not
> available to train us how to operate it, however Chris
Murphy
> may be available and knows how it works.
>
> It would take up about 30 square feet of space
including the
> place where the operators sit or stand. It is not
computerized
> like the one at Pumping Station One, it is an analog
machine.
> Pictures can be taken at high resolution by
long-exposure photo
> of the CRT on the front of the machine, or we can build
an
> analog data importer to reconstruct images at much
higher
> resolution if we desire.
>
> The cash price of this SEM is $10 in gas and tolls, I
will
> provide the vehicle and movement. The rest of the
price of the
> machine in blood and sacrifice is in the time and
energy to
> learn its intricicies and idiosynchracies while
learning about
> vacuum pumps and vacuum oil, and how not to let vacuum
oil
> contaminate your vacuum and get all over your
filament.
>
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/SEM
>
> ironically, one of the reasons it doesn't work as
well at
> noisebridge is because the whole place shakes when the
city
> buses ride by. and sudoroom is apparently directly
over the
> bart tunnel so i wonder how different it will be.
>
> -jake
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