17 Sep
2013
17 Sep
'13
3:05 p.m.
perhaps you heard
noisebridge is no longer a hackerspace and is emptying out the science
room (where the SEM was) to make room for a radio studio or dj booth or
something. ball pit.
miloh will be moving the SEM to a safe location but if you want to help
make sure no pieces get lost maybe you can help. there are tiny boxes
with filaments in them and an ultrasonic cleaner, probably scattered
around the trash pile thats forming at nb now. they are doing a dump run
thursday. the SEM got moved out of its safe place without a single email
about it to anyone that i know of.
so help miloh find all the SEM pieces before its too late!
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi guys,
Instead of taking the Noisebridge SEM, I have a great idea...
Let's get another SEM!
One of the problems with the Noisebridge SEM is that the community of SEM experts is too
small. So let's enlarge that community
by getting another.
If you do get the Noisebridge SEM, NB will be out of a significant resource and its
repair and operation are likely to fall on
the same exact shoulders. You will also encounter ALL of the same problems that NB has
encountered and will need to go to extreme
effort to build infrastructure around the microscope (which we haven't completed).
I have a lead on another SEM that would be free. They aren't as rare as you might
think.
In my previous e-mail, which may not have been posted to the sudo room list yet (I'm
not a list member), I didn't understand that
there was a plan afoot to take the NB SEM (which technically does not belong to NB
anyway, it's on loan). I thought that someone
named Dr. X was going to donate another SEM to sudo room. I generally disapprove of
dismantling Noisebridge resources.
Chris
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2013, at 15:25, Ryan Bethencourt <ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Great thanks Jake, we're working on the space thing for CCL and hoping to have
one in the nearish term... it's kind
of like the early days of Sudo Room when we talked on and on about getting a
space... until we finally got one :)
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
it is currently in a relatively safe place, especially considering that moving it
is the most dangerous thing
to it. So it should stay where it is until a new place is chosen for it.
Since Sudoroom doesn't have enough room for it and CCL has NO room yet, moving
it will have to wait.
However, i know of a pickup truck that can be used to move it if and when the time
comes.
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
Thanks Jake, It looks like we may have to rent a uhaul truck to move it as it
looks large?
Sounds like Ben has a place for us to store it and we have another Counter
Culture labs
co-founder/member (Shanee) who knows how to use it and said she could teach
us :)
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Benjamin Lack <benlack(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
It looks like it would be fine sitting in a garage for a few months, if
so, I have space.
Ben
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer
<patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That would be excellent!
Here's the user manual with all the specs:
https://www.noisebridge.net/images/c/c7/ISI_Mini-TV_SEM_Manual-Troubleshoot…
It's a desktop machine, so doesn't necessarily take up any more space
than some bio equipment.
Wonder how easy it would be to DIY a gold sputterer...
Patrik
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
I'm sure that Dr. X would be very pleased if it went to Counter
Culture Labs. He just wants
it to be understood and appreciated, rather than sitting
neglected. CCL should hurry up and buy the church building before the
price goes up on it,
and I can help transport it.
It is basically an equipment rack and a cart of accessories, so it
doesn't take up a ton of
room. But it's good to be able to set the microscope and
vacuum pump on different structures so that the vibration of the pump
doesn't shake the
scope. Also, to take higher resolution pictures it will be
necessary to construct an analog data importer but that will likely
just be a computer with a
slightly modified sound card and some software.
keep in mind that to view organic (nonmetallic) things you will need a
gold sputterer.
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
Hi Jake,
I'd be very happy to help transport the scanning electron
microscope and if
it can't fit into Sudo Room, I'd also love to float the
idea of potentially
housing it at Counter Culture Labs (the Sudo room DIY Bio
offshoot) when we
eventually open up. Any thoughts?
How big is the SEM (I know some of them can be huge which might
prohibit
location)?
All the best,
Ryan
Best,
Ryan
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org>
wrote:
sudoroom is being offered a scanning electron microscope
(by Dr.
X).
it comes with all the stuff and actually works, but it
requires
a bit of knowledge to operate it. unfortunately Mr. X is
not
available to train us how to operate it, however Chris
Murphy
may be available and knows how it works.
It would take up about 30 square feet of space including
the
place where the operators sit or stand. It is not
computerized
like the one at Pumping Station One, it is an analog
machine.
Pictures can be taken at high resolution by long-exposure
photo
of the CRT on the front of the machine, or we can build an
analog data importer to reconstruct images at much higher
resolution if we desire.
The cash price of this SEM is $10 in gas and tolls, I will
provide the vehicle and movement. The rest of the price of
the
machine in blood and sacrifice is in the time and energy
to
learn its intricicies and idiosynchracies while learning
about
vacuum pumps and vacuum oil, and how not to let vacuum oil
contaminate your vacuum and get all over your filament.
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/SEM
ironically, one of the reasons it doesn't work as well
at
noisebridge is because the whole place shakes when the
city
buses ride by. and sudoroom is apparently directly over
the
bart tunnel so i wonder how different it will be.
-jake
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17 Sep
3:08 p.m.
New subject: noisebridge throwing out Scanning Electron Microscope etc
noisebridge is no longer a hackerspace
???
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
perhaps you heard
noisebridge is no longer a hackerspace and is emptying out the science
room (where the SEM was) to make room for a radio studio or dj booth or
something. ball pit.
miloh will be moving the SEM to a safe location but if you want to help
make sure no pieces get lost maybe you can help. there are tiny boxes with
filaments in them and an ultrasonic cleaner, probably scattered around the
trash pile thats forming at nb now. they are doing a dump run thursday.
the SEM got moved out of its safe place without a single email about it to
anyone that i know of.
so help miloh find all the SEM pieces before its too late!
-jake
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Instead of taking the Noisebridge SEM, I have a great idea...
Let's get another SEM!
One of the problems with the Noisebridge SEM is that the community of SEM
experts is too small. So let's enlarge that community
by getting another.
If you do get the Noisebridge SEM, NB will be out of a significant
resource and its repair and operation are likely to fall on
the same exact shoulders. You will also encounter ALL of the same
problems that NB has encountered and will need to go to extreme
effort to build infrastructure around the microscope (which we haven't
completed).
I have a lead on another SEM that would be free. They aren't as rare as
you might think.
In my previous e-mail, which may not have been posted to the sudo room
list yet (I'm not a list member), I didn't understand that
there was a plan afoot to take the NB SEM (which technically does not
belong to NB anyway, it's on loan). I thought that someone
named Dr. X was going to donate another SEM to sudo room. I generally
disapprove of dismantling Noisebridge resources.
Chris
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2013, at 15:25, Ryan Bethencourt <ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Great thanks Jake, we're working on the space thing for CCL and
hoping to have one in the nearish term... it's kind
of like the early days of Sudo Room when we talked on and on about
getting a space... until we finally got one :)
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
it is currently in a relatively safe place, especially considering
that moving it is the most dangerous thing
to it. So it should stay where it is until a new place is chosen
for it.
Since Sudoroom doesn't have enough room for it and CCL has NO room
yet, moving it will have to wait.
However, i know of a pickup truck that can be used to move it if
and when the time comes.
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
Thanks Jake, It looks like we may have to rent a uhaul truck
to move it as it looks large?
Sounds like Ben has a place for us to store it and we have
another Counter Culture labs
co-founder/member (Shanee) who knows how to use it and said
she could teach us :)
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Benjamin Lack <
benlack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It looks like it would be fine sitting in a garage for
a few months, if so, I have space.
Ben
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <
patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That would be excellent!
Here's the user manual with all the specs:
https://www.noisebridge.net/**images/c/c7/ISI_Mini-TV_SEM_**
Manual-Troubleshooting-**Reference_Guide.pdf<https://www.noisebridge.net…
It's a desktop machine, so doesn't necessarily take up any
more space than some bio equipment.
Wonder how easy it would be to DIY a gold sputterer...
Patrik
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
I'm sure that Dr. X would be very pleased if it went to
Counter Culture Labs. He just wants
it to be understood and appreciated, rather than sitting
neglected. CCL should hurry up and buy the church
building before the price goes up on it,
and I can help transport it.
It is basically an equipment rack and a cart of
accessories, so it doesn't take up a ton of
room. But it's good to be able to set the microscope and
vacuum pump on different structures so that the
vibration of the pump doesn't shake the
scope. Also, to take higher resolution pictures it will be
necessary to construct an analog data importer but that
will likely just be a computer with a
slightly modified sound card and some software.
keep in mind that to view organic (nonmetallic) things
you will need a gold sputterer.
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
Hi Jake,
I'd be very happy to help transport the scanning
electron microscope and if
it can't fit into Sudo Room, I'd also love to
float the idea of potentially
housing it at Counter Culture Labs (the Sudo room
DIY Bio offshoot) when we
eventually open up. Any thoughts?
How big is the SEM (I know some of them can be
huge which might prohibit
location)?
All the best,
Ryan
Best,
Ryan
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Jake <
jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
sudoroom is being offered a scanning
electron microscope (by Dr.
X).
it comes with all the stuff and actually
works, but it requires
a bit of knowledge to operate it.
unfortunately Mr. X is not
available to train us how to operate it,
however Chris Murphy
may be available and knows how it works.
It would take up about 30 square feet of
space including the
place where the operators sit or stand. It
is not computerized
like the one at Pumping Station One, it is
an analog machine.
Pictures can be taken at high resolution
by long-exposure photo
of the CRT on the front of the machine, or
we can build an
analog data importer to reconstruct images
at much higher
resolution if we desire.
The cash price of this SEM is $10 in gas
and tolls, I will
provide the vehicle and movement. The rest
of the price of the
machine in blood and sacrifice is in the
time and energy to
learn its intricicies and idiosynchracies
while learning about
vacuum pumps and vacuum oil, and how not to
let vacuum oil
contaminate your vacuum and get all over
your filament.
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/**SEM<https://noisebridge.net/wiki/SEM>
ironically, one of the reasons it doesn't
work as well at
noisebridge is because the whole place
shakes when the city
buses ride by. and sudoroom is apparently
directly over the
bart tunnel so i wonder how different it
will be.
-jake
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3:16 p.m.
LOL no. No need to get sensational. (you're just placing yourself in good
company with instigators like WR Hearst). Just because they don't know how
or won't learn how to use the SEM, Noisebridge is not a hackerspace?
Anyways, since there are only 2 or 3 self founded hackerspaces on Earth
that I've heard of even having access to a SEM of their own, I'll just take
a step back to say it will take longer for the use of these kind of tools
to take hold and find use in the hackerspace movement. There are probably a
ton of miniSEMS out there waiting in garages until cadres can take on the
responsibility of their care and use. Until then, I won't stand by if I can
prevent these tools from getting damaged.
I already identified the majority of the SEM parts and help is appreciated,
but please don't make a big thing of it. The mini-SEM is intact in the
front of Noisebridge by the welcome desk (!), and there are boxes of
equipment in the East end of the space on the floor by the stairs leading
up to the overseer's closet.
Dr X is ahead of his time, who knew?
Back to your regularly scheduled activities.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
perhaps you heard
noisebridge is no longer a hackerspace and is emptying out the science
room (where the SEM was) to make room for a radio studio or dj booth or
something. ball pit.
miloh will be moving the SEM to a safe location but if you want to help
make sure no pieces get lost maybe you can help. there are tiny boxes with
filaments in them and an ultrasonic cleaner, probably scattered around the
trash pile thats forming at nb now. they are doing a dump run thursday.
the SEM got moved out of its safe place without a single email about it to
anyone that i know of.
so help miloh find all the SEM pieces before its too late!
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi guys,
>
> Instead of taking the Noisebridge SEM, I have a great idea...
>
> Let's get another SEM!
>
> One of the problems with the Noisebridge SEM is that the community of SEM
> experts is too small. So let's enlarge that community
> by getting another.
>
> If you do get the Noisebridge SEM, NB will be out of a significant
> resource and its repair and operation are likely to fall on
> the same exact shoulders. You will also encounter ALL of the same
> problems that NB has encountered and will need to go to extreme
> effort to build infrastructure around the microscope (which we haven't
> completed).
>
> I have a lead on another SEM that would be free. They aren't as rare as
> you might think.
>
> In my previous e-mail, which may not have been posted to the sudo room
> list yet (I'm not a list member), I didn't understand that
> there was a plan afoot to take the NB SEM (which technically does not
> belong to NB anyway, it's on loan). I thought that someone
> named Dr. X was going to donate another SEM to sudo room. I generally
> disapprove of dismantling Noisebridge resources.
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 15:25, Ryan Bethencourt <ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Great thanks Jake, we're working on the space thing for CCL and
> hoping to have one in the nearish term... it's kind
> of like the early days of Sudo Room when we talked on and on about
> getting a space... until we finally got one :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> it is currently in a relatively safe place, especially considering
> that moving it is the most dangerous thing
> to it. So it should stay where it is until a new place is chosen
> for it.
>
> Since Sudoroom doesn't have enough room for it and CCL has NO room
> yet, moving it will have to wait.
>
> However, i know of a pickup truck that can be used to move it if
> and when the time comes.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Thanks Jake, It looks like we may have to rent a uhaul truck
> to move it as it looks large?
> Sounds like Ben has a place for us to store it and we have
> another Counter Culture labs
> co-founder/member (Shanee) who knows how to use it and said
> she could teach us :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Benjamin Lack <
> benlack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> It looks like it would be fine sitting in a garage for
> a few months, if so, I have space.
> Ben
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <
> patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> That would be excellent!
>
> Here's the user manual with all the specs:
>
>
>
https://www.noisebridge.net/images/c/c7/ISI_Mini-TV_SEM_Manual-Troubleshoot…
>
> It's a desktop machine, so doesn't necessarily take up any
> more space than some bio equipment.
> Wonder how easy it would be to DIY a gold sputterer...
>
> Patrik
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> I'm sure that Dr. X would be very pleased if it went to
> Counter Culture Labs. He just wants
> it to be understood and appreciated, rather than sitting
> neglected. CCL should hurry up and buy the church
> building before the price goes up on it,
> and I can help transport it.
>
> It is basically an equipment rack and a cart of
> accessories, so it doesn't take up a ton of
> room. But it's good to be able to set the microscope and
> vacuum pump on different structures so that the
> vibration of the pump doesn't shake the
> scope. Also, to take higher resolution pictures it will be
> necessary to construct an analog data importer but that
> will likely just be a computer with a
> slightly modified sound card and some software.
>
> keep in mind that to view organic (nonmetallic) things
> you will need a gold sputterer.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Hi Jake,
> I'd be very happy to help transport the scanning
> electron microscope and if
> it can't fit into Sudo Room, I'd also love to
> float the idea of potentially
> housing it at Counter Culture Labs (the Sudo room
> DIY Bio offshoot) when we
> eventually open up. Any thoughts?
>
> How big is the SEM (I know some of them can be
> huge which might prohibit
> location)?
>
> All the best,
> Ryan
>
> Best,
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Jake <
> jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> sudoroom is being offered a scanning
> electron microscope (by Dr.
> X).
>
> it comes with all the stuff and actually
> works, but it requires
> a bit of knowledge to operate it.
> unfortunately Mr. X is not
> available to train us how to operate it,
> however Chris Murphy
> may be available and knows how it works.
>
> It would take up about 30 square feet of
> space including the
> place where the operators sit or stand. It
> is not computerized
> like the one at Pumping Station One, it is
> an analog machine.
> Pictures can be taken at high resolution
> by long-exposure photo
> of the CRT on the front of the machine, or
> we can build an
> analog data importer to reconstruct images
> at much higher
> resolution if we desire.
>
> The cash price of this SEM is $10 in gas
> and tolls, I will
> provide the vehicle and movement. The rest
> of the price of the
> machine in blood and sacrifice is in the
> time and energy to
> learn its intricicies and idiosynchracies
> while learning about
> vacuum pumps and vacuum oil, and how not to
> let vacuum oil
> contaminate your vacuum and get all over
> your filament.
>
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/SEM
>
> ironically, one of the reasons it doesn't
> work as well at
> noisebridge is because the whole place
> shakes when the city
> buses ride by. and sudoroom is apparently
> directly over the
> bart tunnel so i wonder how different it
> will be.
>
> -jake
>
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8:16 p.m.
Guess its just as well. I moved to Mountain View and noisebridge is too
far away for me practically to make it up there. If the SEM needs a new
home I am more than happy to take it. In the meantime I am actively
looking over eBay for one of my own and would still like to collaborate
if I can get such a unit (there in fact was an ISI SEM on eBay last week
for $100 but it was older and not in very good shape)
John
On 09/17/2013 03:16 PM, miloh wrote:
LOL no. No need to get sensational. (you're just
placing yourself in
good company with instigators like WR Hearst). Just because they
don't know how or won't learn how to use the SEM, Noisebridge is not a
hackerspace?
Anyways, since there are only 2 or 3 self founded hackerspaces on
Earth that I've heard of even having access to a SEM of their own,
I'll just take a step back to say it will take longer for the use of
these kind of tools to take hold and find use in the hackerspace
movement. There are probably a ton of miniSEMS out there waiting in
garages until cadres can take on the responsibility of their care and
use. Until then, I won't stand by if I can prevent these tools from
getting damaged.
I already identified the majority of the SEM parts and help is
appreciated, but please don't make a big thing of it. The mini-SEM is
intact in the front of Noisebridge by the welcome desk (!), and there
are boxes of equipment in the East end of the space on the floor by
the stairs leading up to the overseer's closet.
Dr X is ahead of his time, who knew?
Back to your regularly scheduled activities.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org
<mailto:jake@spaz.org>> wrote:
perhaps you heard
noisebridge is no longer a hackerspace and is emptying out the
science room (where the SEM was) to make room for a radio studio
or dj booth or something. ball pit.
miloh will be moving the SEM to a safe location but if you want to
help make sure no pieces get lost maybe you can help. there are
tiny boxes with filaments in them and an ultrasonic cleaner,
probably scattered around the trash pile thats forming at nb now.
they are doing a dump run thursday. the SEM got moved out of its
safe place without a single email about it to anyone that i know of.
so help miloh find all the SEM pieces before its too late!
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi guys,
Instead of taking the Noisebridge SEM, I have a great idea...
Let's get another SEM!
One of the problems with the Noisebridge SEM is that the
community of SEM experts is too small. So let's enlarge that
community
by getting another.
If you do get the Noisebridge SEM, NB will be out of a
significant resource and its repair and operation are likely
to fall on
the same exact shoulders. You will also encounter ALL of the
same problems that NB has encountered and will need to go to
extreme
effort to build infrastructure around the microscope (which we
haven't completed).
I have a lead on another SEM that would be free. They aren't
as rare as you might think.
In my previous e-mail, which may not have been posted to the
sudo room list yet (I'm not a list member), I didn't
understand that
there was a plan afoot to take the NB SEM (which technically
does not belong to NB anyway, it's on loan). I thought that
someone
named Dr. X was going to donate another SEM to sudo room. I
generally disapprove of dismantling Noisebridge resources.
Chris
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2013, at 15:25, Ryan Bethencourt
<ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com
<mailto:ryan.bethencourt@gmail.com>> wrote:
Great thanks Jake, we're working on the space thing for
CCL and hoping to have one in the nearish term... it's kind
of like the early days of Sudo Room when we talked on
and on about getting a space... until we finally got one :)
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org
<mailto:jake@spaz.org>> wrote:
it is currently in a relatively safe place, especially
considering that moving it is the most dangerous thing
to it. So it should stay where it is until a new place
is chosen for it.
Since Sudoroom doesn't have enough room for it and CCL
has NO room yet, moving it will have to wait.
However, i know of a pickup truck that can be used to
move it if and when the time comes.
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
Thanks Jake, It looks like we may have to rent a
uhaul truck to move it as it looks large?
Sounds like Ben has a place for us to store it and
we have another Counter Culture labs
co-founder/member (Shanee) who knows how to use it
and said she could teach us :)
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Benjamin Lack
<benlack(a)gmail.com <mailto:benlack@gmail.com>> wrote:
It looks like it would be fine sitting in a
garage for a few months, if so, I have space.
Ben
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Patrik
D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com <mailto:patrikd@gmail.com>>
wrote:
That would be excellent!
Here's the user manual with all the specs:
https://www.noisebridge.net/images/c/c7/ISI_Mini-TV_SEM_Manual-Troubleshoot…
It's a desktop machine, so doesn't necessarily
take up any more space than some bio equipment.
Wonder how easy it would be to DIY a gold sputterer...
Patrik
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org <mailto:jake@spaz.org>> wrote:
I'm sure that Dr. X would be very pleased if
it went to Counter Culture Labs. He just wants
it to be understood and appreciated, rather than
sitting
neglected. CCL should hurry up and buy the
church building before the price goes up on it,
and I can help transport it.
It is basically an equipment rack and a cart
of accessories, so it doesn't take up a ton of
room. But it's good to be able to set the
microscope and
vacuum pump on different structures so that
the vibration of the pump doesn't shake the
scope. Also, to take higher resolution pictures
it will be
necessary to construct an analog data
importer but that will likely just be a computer with a
slightly modified sound card and some software.
keep in mind that to view organic
(nonmetallic) things you will need a gold sputterer.
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
Hi Jake,
I'd be very happy to help transport
the scanning electron microscope and if
it can't fit into Sudo Room, I'd also
love to float the idea of potentially
housing it at Counter Culture Labs
(the Sudo room DIY Bio offshoot) when we
eventually open up. Any thoughts?
How big is the SEM (I know some of
them can be huge which might prohibit
location)?
All the best,
Ryan
Best,
Ryan
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org <mailto:jake@spaz.org>> wrote:
sudoroom is being offered a
scanning electron microscope (by Dr.
X).
it comes with all the stuff and
actually works, but it requires
a bit of knowledge to operate
it. unfortunately Mr. X is not
available to train us how to
operate it, however Chris Murphy
may be available and knows how
it works.
It would take up about 30 square
feet of space including the
place where the operators sit or
stand. It is not computerized
like the one at Pumping Station
One, it is an analog machine.
Pictures can be taken at high
resolution by long-exposure photo
of the CRT on the front of the
machine, or we can build an
analog data importer to
reconstruct images at much higher
resolution if we desire.
The cash price of this SEM is
$10 in gas and tolls, I will
provide the vehicle and
movement. The rest of the price of the
machine in blood and sacrifice
is in the time and energy to
learn its intricicies and
idiosynchracies while learning about
vacuum pumps and vacuum oil, and
how not to let vacuum oil
contaminate your vacuum and get
all over your filament.
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/SEM
ironically, one of the reasons
it doesn't work as well at
noisebridge is because the whole
place shakes when the city
buses ride by. and sudoroom is
apparently directly over the
bart tunnel so i wonder how
different it will be.
-jake
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18 Sep
12:57 a.m.
Friends,
I haven't been by NB in a while. It's a shame the SEM cannot be maintained by the
community. The way I see it, it is sort of a pinnacle of the organization (one of
several). It depends on the whole organization working in concert. It's very hard to
take on ambitious goals at Noisebridge without reliable people, working and organized
tools, and the required infrastructure Mike Kan likes to emphasize. These things have to
come first no matter where the SEM lives. It takes a team to make the organization work
and you are all great people. But we are busy people and the NB org is under siege by C or
D players or worse.
Tangent: I speculate that the best hacker space arrangement might be an old shopping mall.
Each retail storefront is an autonomous hacker space with independent hours and
specialties and rules. A food court in the middle for cross pollination of ideas and so
people can meet or lounge on wifi. Some storefronts in the mall would specialize in
optics, others lasers, others radio, others woodwork, and so on. Some store fronts may be
full blown commercial hardware and electronics stores. Hackers could navigate said mall
with shopping carts to move projects around from space to space and perhaps lend tools
from one space to another like a library book. Security and parking are integrated into
the mall complex. Pickup trucks are available for rent to make dump runs, recycling,
retrieving machinery from the outside world, etc.
I bring this idea to the foreground because its the scenario that I think will support
high science within a mix of public use areas. The high science seems to require full
blown lockdown of a space for cleanliness and security if nothing else. The beauty of
Noisebridge is the melange of people coming together in a place like the Mos Eisley
spaceport cantina and sharing ideas to the point of complete hallucinogenic distraction. I
propose this mall concept as a Request For Comment. It's a fantasy that would support
the high science but not lock out the chaos of public idea cross pollination. Perhaps it
is supported by money. But it could also be supported by the donation of the best ideas to
a central patent office. Perhaps what I am describing is reminiscent of the MIT Media Lab
and their system of taking X percent of a student's patent income. But the comparison
ends there because MIT is an exclusive university and the Media Lab is closed to the
public. I've always felt that the openness of Noisebridge was more important than the
tools inside. If only we could preserve those tools (SEM) in the face of the C player
siege!
Chris
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2013, at 15:16, miloh <froggytoad(a)gmail.com> wrote:
LOL no. No need to get sensational. (you're just
placing yourself in good company with instigators like WR Hearst). Just because they
don't know how or won't learn how to use the SEM, Noisebridge is not a
hackerspace?
Anyways, since there are only 2 or 3 self founded hackerspaces on Earth that I've
heard of even having access to a SEM of their own, I'll just take a step back to say
it will take longer for the use of these kind of tools to take hold and find use in the
hackerspace movement. There are probably a ton of miniSEMS out there waiting in garages
until cadres can take on the responsibility of their care and use. Until then, I won't
stand by if I can prevent these tools from getting damaged.
I already identified the majority of the SEM parts and help is appreciated, but please
don't make a big thing of it. The mini-SEM is intact in the front of Noisebridge by
the welcome desk (!), and there are boxes of equipment in the East end of the space on the
floor by the stairs leading up to the overseer's closet.
Dr X is ahead of his time, who knew?
Back to your regularly scheduled activities.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
perhaps you heard
noisebridge is no longer a hackerspace and is emptying out the science room (where the
SEM was) to make room for a radio studio or dj booth or something. ball pit.
miloh will be moving the SEM to a safe location but if you want to help make sure no
pieces get lost maybe you can help. there are tiny boxes with filaments in them and an
ultrasonic cleaner, probably scattered around the trash pile thats forming at nb now.
they are doing a dump run thursday. the SEM got moved out of its safe place without a
single email about it to anyone that i know of.
so help miloh find all the SEM pieces before its too late!
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Instead of taking the Noisebridge SEM, I have a great idea...
>
> Let's get another SEM!
>
> One of the problems with the Noisebridge SEM is that the community of SEM experts is
too small. So let's enlarge that community
> by getting another.
>
> If you do get the Noisebridge SEM, NB will be out of a significant resource and its
repair and operation are likely to fall on
> the same exact shoulders. You will also encounter ALL of the same problems that NB
has encountered and will need to go to extreme
> effort to build infrastructure around the microscope (which we haven't
completed).
>
> I have a lead on another SEM that would be free. They aren't as rare as you might
think.
>
> In my previous e-mail, which may not have been posted to the sudo room list yet
(I'm not a list member), I didn't understand that
> there was a plan afoot to take the NB SEM (which technically does not belong to NB
anyway, it's on loan). I thought that someone
> named Dr. X was going to donate another SEM to sudo room. I generally disapprove of
dismantling Noisebridge resources.
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 15:25, Ryan Bethencourt <ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Great thanks Jake, we're working on the space thing for CCL and hoping to
have one in the nearish term... it's kind
> of like the early days of Sudo Room when we talked on and on about getting a
space... until we finally got one :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> it is currently in a relatively safe place, especially considering that moving
it is the most dangerous thing
> to it. So it should stay where it is until a new place is chosen for it.
>
> Since Sudoroom doesn't have enough room for it and CCL has NO room yet,
moving it will have to wait.
>
> However, i know of a pickup truck that can be used to move it if and when the
time comes.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Thanks Jake, It looks like we may have to rent a uhaul truck to move it
as it looks large?
> Sounds like Ben has a place for us to store it and we have another
Counter Culture labs
> co-founder/member (Shanee) who knows how to use it and said she could
teach us :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Benjamin Lack <benlack(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> It looks like it would be fine sitting in a garage for a few
months, if so, I have space.
> Ben
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer
<patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> That would be excellent!
>
> Here's the user manual with all the specs:
>
>
https://www.noisebridge.net/images/c/c7/ISI_Mini-TV_SEM_Manual-Troubleshoot…
>
> It's a desktop machine, so doesn't necessarily take up any more
space than some bio equipment.
> Wonder how easy it would be to DIY a gold sputterer...
>
> Patrik
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> I'm sure that Dr. X would be very pleased if it went to Counter
Culture Labs. He just wants
> it to be understood and appreciated, rather than sitting
> neglected. CCL should hurry up and buy the church building before
the price goes up on it,
> and I can help transport it.
>
> It is basically an equipment rack and a cart of accessories, so it
doesn't take up a ton of
> room. But it's good to be able to set the microscope and
> vacuum pump on different structures so that the vibration of the
pump doesn't shake the
> scope. Also, to take higher resolution pictures it will be
> necessary to construct an analog data importer but that will likely
just be a computer with a
> slightly modified sound card and some software.
>
> keep in mind that to view organic (nonmetallic) things you will
need a gold sputterer.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Hi Jake,
> I'd be very happy to help transport the scanning electron
microscope and if
> it can't fit into Sudo Room, I'd also love to float
the idea of potentially
> housing it at Counter Culture Labs (the Sudo room DIY Bio
offshoot) when we
> eventually open up. Any thoughts?
>
> How big is the SEM (I know some of them can be huge which
might prohibit
> location)?
>
> All the best,
> Ryan
>
> Best,
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org>
wrote:
> sudoroom is being offered a scanning electron
microscope (by Dr.
> X).
>
> it comes with all the stuff and actually works, but it
requires
> a bit of knowledge to operate it. unfortunately Mr. X
is not
> available to train us how to operate it, however Chris
Murphy
> may be available and knows how it works.
>
> It would take up about 30 square feet of space
including the
> place where the operators sit or stand. It is not
computerized
> like the one at Pumping Station One, it is an analog
machine.
> Pictures can be taken at high resolution by
long-exposure photo
> of the CRT on the front of the machine, or we can build
an
> analog data importer to reconstruct images at much
higher
> resolution if we desire.
>
> The cash price of this SEM is $10 in gas and tolls, I
will
> provide the vehicle and movement. The rest of the
price of the
> machine in blood and sacrifice is in the time and
energy to
> learn its intricicies and idiosynchracies while
learning about
> vacuum pumps and vacuum oil, and how not to let vacuum
oil
> contaminate your vacuum and get all over your
filament.
>
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/SEM
>
> ironically, one of the reasons it doesn't work as
well at
> noisebridge is because the whole place shakes when the
city
> buses ride by. and sudoroom is apparently directly
over the
> bart tunnel so i wonder how different it will be.
>
> -jake
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10:54 a.m.
New subject: noisebridge throwing out Scanning Electron Microscope etc
We've mentioned this before, but we'd *love* to host the SEM at Counter
Culture Labs in the East Bay, once we have a lab space. And we should have
a few people who can run it and teach others - and lots of interest in
putting it to good use!
Let us know if you need some help with safe storage in the mean time...
Patrik
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM, miloh <froggytoad(a)gmail.com> wrote:
LOL no. No need to get sensational. (you're just
placing yourself in good
company with instigators like WR Hearst). Just because they don't know how
or won't learn how to use the SEM, Noisebridge is not a hackerspace?
Anyways, since there are only 2 or 3 self founded hackerspaces on Earth
that I've heard of even having access to a SEM of their own, I'll just take
a step back to say it will take longer for the use of these kind of tools
to take hold and find use in the hackerspace movement. There are probably a
ton of miniSEMS out there waiting in garages until cadres can take on the
responsibility of their care and use. Until then, I won't stand by if I can
prevent these tools from getting damaged.
I already identified the majority of the SEM parts and help is
appreciated, but please don't make a big thing of it. The mini-SEM is
intact in the front of Noisebridge by the welcome desk (!), and there are
boxes of equipment in the East end of the space on the floor by the stairs
leading up to the overseer's closet.
Dr X is ahead of his time, who knew?
Back to your regularly scheduled activities.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
perhaps you heard
noisebridge is no longer a hackerspace and is emptying out the science
room (where the SEM was) to make room for a radio studio or dj booth or
something. ball pit.
miloh will be moving the SEM to a safe location but if you want to help
make sure no pieces get lost maybe you can help. there are tiny boxes with
filaments in them and an ultrasonic cleaner, probably scattered around the
trash pile thats forming at nb now. they are doing a dump run thursday.
the SEM got moved out of its safe place without a single email about it to
anyone that i know of.
so help miloh find all the SEM pieces before its too late!
-jake
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Chris Murphy wrote:
Hi guys,
>
> Instead of taking the Noisebridge SEM, I have a great idea...
>
> Let's get another SEM!
>
> One of the problems with the Noisebridge SEM is that the community of
> SEM experts is too small. So let's enlarge that community
> by getting another.
>
> If you do get the Noisebridge SEM, NB will be out of a significant
> resource and its repair and operation are likely to fall on
> the same exact shoulders. You will also encounter ALL of the same
> problems that NB has encountered and will need to go to extreme
> effort to build infrastructure around the microscope (which we haven't
> completed).
>
> I have a lead on another SEM that would be free. They aren't as rare as
> you might think.
>
> In my previous e-mail, which may not have been posted to the sudo room
> list yet (I'm not a list member), I didn't understand that
> there was a plan afoot to take the NB SEM (which technically does not
> belong to NB anyway, it's on loan). I thought that someone
> named Dr. X was going to donate another SEM to sudo room. I generally
> disapprove of dismantling Noisebridge resources.
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 15:25, Ryan Bethencourt <ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Great thanks Jake, we're working on the space thing for CCL and
> hoping to have one in the nearish term... it's kind
> of like the early days of Sudo Room when we talked on and on about
> getting a space... until we finally got one :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> it is currently in a relatively safe place, especially considering
> that moving it is the most dangerous thing
> to it. So it should stay where it is until a new place is chosen
> for it.
>
> Since Sudoroom doesn't have enough room for it and CCL has NO room
> yet, moving it will have to wait.
>
> However, i know of a pickup truck that can be used to move it if
> and when the time comes.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Thanks Jake, It looks like we may have to rent a uhaul truck
> to move it as it looks large?
> Sounds like Ben has a place for us to store it and we have
> another Counter Culture labs
> co-founder/member (Shanee) who knows how to use it and said
> she could teach us :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Benjamin Lack <
> benlack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> It looks like it would be fine sitting in a garage for
> a few months, if so, I have space.
> Ben
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <
> patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> That would be excellent!
>
> Here's the user manual with all the specs:
>
>
>
https://www.noisebridge.net/images/c/c7/ISI_Mini-TV_SEM_Manual-Troubleshoot…
>
> It's a desktop machine, so doesn't necessarily take up any
> more space than some bio equipment.
> Wonder how easy it would be to DIY a gold sputterer...
>
> Patrik
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> I'm sure that Dr. X would be very pleased if it went
> to Counter Culture Labs. He just wants
> it to be understood and appreciated, rather than sitting
> neglected. CCL should hurry up and buy the church
> building before the price goes up on it,
> and I can help transport it.
>
> It is basically an equipment rack and a cart of
> accessories, so it doesn't take up a ton of
> room. But it's good to be able to set the microscope and
> vacuum pump on different structures so that the
> vibration of the pump doesn't shake the
> scope. Also, to take higher resolution pictures it will be
> necessary to construct an analog data importer but
> that will likely just be a computer with a
> slightly modified sound card and some software.
>
> keep in mind that to view organic (nonmetallic) things
> you will need a gold sputterer.
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
>
> Hi Jake,
> I'd be very happy to help transport the scanning
> electron microscope and if
> it can't fit into Sudo Room, I'd also love to
> float the idea of potentially
> housing it at Counter Culture Labs (the Sudo
> room DIY Bio offshoot) when we
> eventually open up. Any thoughts?
>
> How big is the SEM (I know some of them can be
> huge which might prohibit
> location)?
>
> All the best,
> Ryan
>
> Best,
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Jake <
> jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> sudoroom is being offered a scanning
> electron microscope (by Dr.
> X).
>
> it comes with all the stuff and actually
> works, but it requires
> a bit of knowledge to operate it.
> unfortunately Mr. X is not
> available to train us how to operate it,
> however Chris Murphy
> may be available and knows how it works.
>
> It would take up about 30 square feet of
> space including the
> place where the operators sit or stand.
> It is not computerized
> like the one at Pumping Station One, it is
> an analog machine.
> Pictures can be taken at high resolution
> by long-exposure photo
> of the CRT on the front of the machine, or
> we can build an
> analog data importer to reconstruct images
> at much higher
> resolution if we desire.
>
> The cash price of this SEM is $10 in gas
> and tolls, I will
> provide the vehicle and movement. The
> rest of the price of the
> machine in blood and sacrifice is in the
> time and energy to
> learn its intricicies and idiosynchracies
> while learning about
> vacuum pumps and vacuum oil, and how not
> to let vacuum oil
> contaminate your vacuum and get all over
> your filament.
>
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/SEM
>
> ironically, one of the reasons it doesn't
> work as well at
> noisebridge is because the whole place
> shakes when the city
> buses ride by. and sudoroom is apparently
> directly over the
> bart tunnel so i wonder how different it
> will be.
>
> -jake
>
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