19 Dec
2021
19 Dec
'21
2:01 p.m.
Hi Dane - Lilu expressed concern in an online forum about a person who came
into the space and was photographing people without consent and asking
questions in a very direct and probing manner. This person happened to be
from the state of Israel/Palestine. My understanding is that Lilu is not
racist or xenophobic, and is not anti-state-of-israel. Furthermore, she has
expressed that some of her closest friends and also direct supporters of
her livelihood have been Jewish (both religiously and ethnically).
I respect your concern about Lilu's questioning of Habiba and why she
wanted to keep the door open. My understanding is that Habiba is a
well-established member of Sudo, so when Lilu asked if she was a volunteer
at the space and if she could close the front door, I can understand why
she would not want to answer whether she was a volunteer or not to some
blonde white girl. Still, my understanding is that Lilu did not ask her for
her identification- to do so would be outrageous. Is your understanding
that she confronted Habiba and asked to see her identification?
Thanks for your care about the space. My only reason for weighing in here
is (1) being a member at noisebridge and seeing hearsay be misrepresented
(2) to make sure that the story of my friend who was touched
inappropriately is not snuffed out by three men.
On Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 12:47 PM Dane <wanderingsearch1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I am trying to figure out who this person is that
inappropriately touched
Lovi/Lilu.
Was it Jorge or Mike or someone else ??? (two men working on
electrical/carpentry/roof)
I came across Lovi/Lilu arguing with each Chicago (ANV member) in the
context of Chicago stating that Lovi/Lilu was messing with ANV's stuff and
Chicago telling Lovi/Lilu not to both ANV and him.
The Noisebridge part you mention neglects the systemic unexcellent
behavior exhibited by Lovi/Lilu that furthers xenophobic racist behaviors
and ideologies...not just some mere interpersonal issue that was no big
deal.......
There were over 200 messages on the Nosiebridge Slack that day oriented
around Lovi/Lilu accusing a random person of being a foreign person working
as a CIA agent without any sort of proof and demanding that Noisebridge
trust Lovi/Lilu's instincts (Lovi/Lilu emphasized repeatedly the
foreignness of the person they were falsely accusing...)
This is not some simplistic interpersonal issue as you framed it. It may
have been resolved between the person who asked Lovi/Lilu to stay away from
Noisebridge until mediation occurred, which it did.
But overall please do not download Lovi/Lilu's racist xenophobic
unexcellent behavior
--
I'm guessing also, David, that you are unfamiliar with the fact that
couple of weeks ago, Lovi/Lilu harassed an older black woman who volunteers
for East Bay Food Not Bombs (Habiba) with Lovi/Lilu thinking that Habiba
was some random who was "trespassing " in Omni Commons, asking for Habiba
to identify herself to Lovi/Lilu as if Lovi is some kind of white
supremacist cop. That is embarrassing.
Fuck that shit and anyone who glosses over that.
I hope Lovi/Lilu can bring accountability to person who harassed her
but please please do not ignore or downplay Lovi/Lilu's racist
authoritarian behavior, David or anyone else.
Dane
On Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 12:00 david broccoli via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Hi, my name is David and I have been working with
Lilu on repairing the
Laser at Sudo Room. I am a member at noisebridge and wanted to make clear
that while it is true that Lilu had a misunderstanding/disagreement with
two other members at noisebridge, this took place on an online chat when
she was both extremely low on sleep (i.e. perhaps not thinking totally
logically) and in mourning. It was also resolved in-person through a
follow-up conversation and successful mediation. There has never been a
"safe space" ask to leave for Lilu at noisebridge - there was simply a
disagreement/misunderstanding in an online chat that has since been
resolved.
Lilu has brought to my attention that she has been pursued and touched
inappropriately on two separate occasions by a male worker at the omni
commons who asked her "not to worry because he is divorced". After she
reported this Saturday she has become the target of harassment by a male
friend of the worker, who earlier in the same day (and together with the
worker) had tried to discount Lilu's accusation and to characterize the
interaction as "normal touch".
I think that it would be a mistake to use hearsay about a resolved
disagreement at another organization as reason to discount an allegation
about harassment/inappropriate touch and frankly what looks like an attempt
to bully her into not speaking out about it.
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