19 Dec
2021
19 Dec
'21
4:45 p.m.
I did not know the context until just now that Lovi had been sexually
assaulted by Jorge (why was this information not immediately shared ?)
I asked Lovi to temporarily leave since it appeared that they were
harassing Chicago in a manner similar to how they harassed Habiba.
If I do not know all the information & contextual knowledge that was not
transparent at the time and all I see is Lovi yelling at Chicago while
appearing to mess with his work, I act based upon the immediate information
& knowledge by asking for them to leave.
*I never wanted a ban but an Ask to Leave* since I came upon Lovi yelling
at Chicago when he was saying that Lovi should not be messing with
ANV's material. Now that I know* the context of Jorge harassing Lovi*, this
changes the dynamic completely.
Jorge needs to be held to accountability along with Chicago understanding
that Jorge's behavior is 100 % unacceptable.
Dane
On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 12:47 PM Dane via
sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
but please please do not ignore or downplay
Lovi/Lilu's racist
authoritarian behavior, David or anyone else.
Dane, I understand your concern about both of these incidents, and I
agree with not wanting to tolerate white supremacy. But my
understanding is that in both cases, Lovi apologized for her behavior
and learned from her mistake, and this was accepted in good faith by
everybody involved? If anybody feels that these are actually still
unresolved, I would support some kind of accountability process to
happen. But it doesn't seem like you're asking for that? What you're
asking for is that we simply treat these as "priors" by which to judge
her at fault for Saturday's drama, which I cannot accept, because that
would ultimately mean we are banning her in retaliation for being
assaulted and then complaining about it. Surely you can understand why
that's not okay either?