22 Mar
2019
22 Mar
'19
6:07 p.m.
Also, another of my 0.02, the big issue I've heard raised is that this
would somehow give Jenny more power specifically in the GCEA conflict.
Has anyone pointed out that Almaz's nonpayment of promised funds basically
already constitutes us paying her, and paying Jenny therefore doesn't give
her extra status over Almaz, but according to the objectors' logic,
actually makes them more equal?
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:54 PM Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Just a quick chime in about precedent for paying
people. We have, in the
past, also payed people for doing big show sound setup and teardown as,
again, no one else could step up to doing the job in the pro manner that
was needed, so…
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:30 PM Lesley Bell <zvezdalune(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Guys, I have not been aware of this thread as
I've had a major issue that
has now been resolved, but I too completely advocate for Jenny stepping
into this role.
As far as power, paying people when we're all volunteers, etc. there are
some philosophical things we need to work out, (e.g. I'm not going to feel
as good about cleaning the bathroom for free the next time there's a
shitsplosion if I know someone else gets paid to clean it) but in this case
specifically we have a precedent--we have paid lawyers and other
specialists to do things that we needed done well and didn't have
volunteers that were capable of doing them, like we did with Jesse, our
lawyer.
This is temporary, necessary, and I volunteer as an accountability buddy
who will stand up to Jenny if she attempts to become Omni dictator at any
point in the future. Which she will not, and that's why I am advocating so
strongly for her to be able to do this.
L
On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:38 PM Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Steve, Julian, would you agree to Omni hiring
Jenny at least to do this
year's taxes? In my opinion, there is zero chance to hire a CPA who has as
much background knowledge of the Omni's finances and would be willing to do
it for as low a fee as she is charging.
Jenny had suggested a trial period anyway. We can revisit the issue of
hiring her permanently afterwards.
Patrik
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Re: Timing - A quick glance at the edit history
of the Google Doc I
linked to in my proposal
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pZwwjGPjsCryp78dySTHFbrmiTZR-Q5FqQf82S5eTpk/edit#>
can demonstrate that I've been writing it since last October, knowing I
would need to start generating my household's income this year and acutely
aware of how much time Omni's bookkeeping work has taken in the past. It
should be noted I'm essentially doing the bookkeeping for not one, but 6
collectives (Omni writ large, Sudo, LibLens, partial DIY [they have a
secondary fiscal sponsor as well], The Village [a significant amount of
work], and BAPS [tho they contributed $0 in 2019 and have no expenses]) and
tax season is now upon us.
I am unable to attend the Delegate's Meeting this Thursday as I'll be
out of town, but happy to answer any questions or concerns remotely.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 6:58 AM Steve Martinot <martinot4(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Ironically, people raise the fact that I haven't responded to this
> thread. But I didn't see any responses or discussion concerning what I
> raised in my last two emails. I guess some people like to have it both ways.
> >
> > The suggestion has been made that I should fulfill certain criteria
> in order to speak (like shoeing up for meetings that I'm not sure will
> actually occur). If that is the case, then please give me the full list of
> criteria I need to meet in order to speak (when I feel like speaking), with
> the source or foundation for the items on the list. That way, some brave
> soul can tell me to shut the fuck up if I don't fulfill all the terms of
> the list. At least, that is the logic of some of the statements made in
> which my name is bandied about.
>
> Steve, who's telling you not to speak? Quite the opposite, I'm asking
> you to say something substantial about the issue of paying Jenny (or
> somebody else) to do Omni's bookkeeping, which IIRC you still haven't
> done, and which I think should be a bare minimum requirement in a
> consensus process where you're the only person blocking, which appears
> to be the case here.
>
> For the record, the past 3 delegates meetings have had full or nearly
> full quorum.
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