11 May
2014
11 May
'14
7:06 p.m.
On 05/11/2014 03:39 PM, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
Good points Sam and I agree that any improvements in neighborhoods
should be inclusive to ensure that a broad range of residents (not
just middle to high income) can continue to be part of the community,
it's after all the diversity that enriches our community both
racially, artistically and creatively. A big part of that is ensuring
that a broad range of housing is available for all budgets (which
cities like SF have failed to deliver on, which appears to be due to
strong anti-growth mentalities which prices those who can least afford
it out).
Saying that, *I'm just not a fan of how the term gentrification is
being used, it seems divisive to me*, them and us, if we're a
community space, surely we should embrace all of those who wish to add
to the community and share their skill sets (regardless of race,
income, creed or gender preferences and hold to non-discrimination).
This is a tactic used by governments and corporations.
http://www.popularresistance.org/heres-how-the-corporations-defeat-politica…
Ideally, there would be no borders or division between us. Ideally, we
wouldn't label anybody as an outsider. I don't know how to build these
communities if we consistently draw our attention away from planning and
building something we share together, but focus on who to blame based on
their ethnicity, sex, gender, etc.
I would love to see more conversation about acceptance, compassion, and
inclusiveness. Otherwise, I don't know how we're going to make that the
reality.
Google engineers are being vilified and yet I think
it's a failure of
governmental institutions to develop adequate policies to ensure a
full range of housing and services are available for those who need it
most and not engineers who are just looking for a decent place to live
at a reasonable price.
I'd definitely embrace a balanced dialog and on the pros and cons and
how we can insure a more inclusive Oakland for everyone :)
All the best,
Ryan
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Sam Tepper <sam.tepper(a)gmail.com
<mailto:sam.tepper@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for the link, Ryan. I don't think people doubt that
gentrification has its upsides - that's why it's so sought after
for so many people - but there are two main downsides, I'd say,
that are against the values we generally try to hold at Sudo Room.
1. Gentrification and its benefits target white middle-class
families. Even if many or most original residents who stay are
financially better off, those who are left are far less diverse,
and racism plays a fundamental role in the gentrification process.
2. Gentrified neighborhoods are generally home to fewer artists,
immigrants, and even aspiring hackers because these people can
frequently be poor to the point of destitution, even when their
skill level is high.
We do need to address the positives in order to have a dialog, to
educate and address the problems behind most gentrification
efforts, and try to increase financial health and stability in
more positive, socially responsible ways.
-Sam
On 05/11/2014 02:38 PM, Ryan Bethencourt wrote:
I'm intrigued by this discussion,
what's seemed odd to me for a
while is that the conversation seems to be very one sided, i.e.
all gentrification is bad, yet what about if it isn't? What if a
rising tide lifts all boats?
I came across an article a while back that was published on NPR
(not known for being biased one way or the other) which discussed
the data which actually tended to support the positive aspects of
gentrification for residents of poorer neighborhoods. It's worth
a read:
"We're finding that the financial health of original residents in
gentrifying neighborhoods seems to be increasing, as compared to
original residents in nongentrifying, low-priced neighborhoods,"
says Daniel Hartley, a research economist with the bank."
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/22/264528139/long-a-dirty-word-gentrification-ma…
I would also make the argument that spaces like Sudo Room, Public
Schools, LOL space, Counter Culture labs and etc actually make a
net positive impact for the entire community and yet do have a
gentrifying effect. We have much work yet to do but communal
spaces, open education and the maker movement have the potential
to empower many communities and I say that as someone that hopes
to do more to help lift others up, I think most of us are of the
same mindset?
Upwards and Onwards!
Ryan
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May 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM
Quick point - you guys know that it was the housing market crash
(sudden DECREASE in home values) that set off waves of
foreclosures, right?
In other words, suppose you're in one of these loans.
You realized what is about to happen to you ("FUCK! I can't
afford the mortgage after reset!) let's look at two scenereos:
Scenereo one: the value of your house has increased since you
purchased it two years ago. The house is worth more than you owe
on it, and there are many buyers interested in buying homes like
yours in your area.
Scenereo two: the value of your home has decreased since you
purchased it two years ago. The house is worth less than you owe
on it, and there are very few people interested in buying homes
like yours in your area.
Which scenero is better for you? What do you do in each scenereo?
On Sunday, May 11, 2014, Autonomous <autonomous666(a)gmail.com
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May 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM
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https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss Oakland gentrification is very well planned &
executed
Indeed. It is particularly reprehensible that specific
neighborhoods in Oakland were targeted for predatory loans and
fraudulent foreclosures. The attached image shows foreclosures
in Oakland represented by small dots which is overlaid onto
demographic data showing non-white neighborhoods in red and
white neighborhoods in blue. See a pattern here? This is a form
of economic warfare targeted against people of color who have
lost a massive amount of wealth while investors have moved in to
profit from the resulting increase in real estate values.
The scam involves a loan with very low interest for a period of
two years followed by a dramatic increase in interest. When
people ask for a loan modification, they are told they need to
miss a payment in order to qualify - it's in the servicing
contract. Then, upon missing one payment, the bank refuses to
accept any more payments by giving the run-around and the home
is subsequently foreclosed upon. If that wasn't enough, people
are forcibly removed from their homes by illegal eviction
proceedings. Typically the unfortunate former homeowner only
learns about the eviction when the police show up to kick them
out on the street along with all their possessions. This is
because they aren't served properly and have no idea a court
action even existed. This pattern was repeated over and over in
Oakland, as you can see in the attached image.
Inline image 2
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Patrik D'haeseleer <mailto:patrikd@gmail.com>
May 10, 2014 at 7:33 PM
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 7:29 PM, <batkid(a)gmx.com
<mailto:batkid@gmx.com>> wrote:
Don't worry, Oakland won't become the East Hamptons anytime soon
http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_25737160/oakland-man-shot-driving-truc…
http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_25732368/jurors-convict-man-murdering-…
http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_25731273/oakland-man-dies-from-injurie…
Oh good - I was getting worried about having too many museum
shows and cat video festivals in the neighborhood...
Patrik
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The museum shows, the cat festival.. I guess we are all part
of the master plan : P
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May 10, 2014 at 7:29 PM
Don't worry, Oakland won't become the East Hamptons anytime soon
http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_25737160/oakland-man-shot-driving-truc…
http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_25732368/jurors-convict-man-murdering-…
http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_25731273/oakland-man-dies-from-injurie…
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The museum shows, the cat festival.. I guess we are all part of
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