21 Apr
2022
21 Apr
'22
12:22 p.m.
Hey Cere,
I wonder if there is a caching issue? I see your changes for health and diversity when I
refresh the page, and I also see your edits in the history.
Were there other changes that didn’t get saved?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 12:00, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hrm. I don't see where my changes got added into the purpose section when I search
for keywords like health and diverse. Did you not save changes or something?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org
<mailto:eric@oco.nnor.org>> wrote:
Hey Cere,
Awesome! — and yes, I agree that the quotes were just for temporary brainstorming. Thanks
for removing them.
I feel that we should retain the part about "foster and expand innovation and
creativity” because it gives some specificity as to _how_ we envision the improvement of
our community to be actualized.
That is basically an attempt to summarize this section:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose>
I added that back, but kept the rest of your changes. What do you think?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:20, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com <mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Eric,
Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to include it in my own
draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much sense as I thought given the rest of what
I wrote down. It's a big change from what you proposed, so I hope at least some of it
speaks to you.
I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I worried about
keeping them around as appeals to authority which might get us off on the wrong foot from
an anarchist or cultural diversity perspective so I removed it from my draft.
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
<https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&diff=11882&oldid=11880>
In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity anyway.
Hope it's helpful.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org
<mailto:eric@oco.nnor.org>> wrote:
That makes sense.
I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and included some quotes from
famous people talking about it. Maybe we can rephrase those statements and make that our
own?
Let me know what you think
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
<https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&diff=11880&oldid=11879>
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com <mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com>> wrote:
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and values
(but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that could be worded. If
others feel similarly, maybe something on that could be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org>> wrote:
I made this page to try to address "statement of intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most of this is
copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
>
> One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing) curiosity. That is,
not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions" antagonistic rhetorical
strategy.
>
> It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've
encountered instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to describe without
referencing closedness.
>
> (sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
>
>
> 1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining and
acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning - we all can learn
from each other, of course];
>
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