Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208

Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) You can reach the person managing the list at sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of Jean Quan to not even look into it. In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little more fair and balanced reporting. On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: