Re: [sudo-discuss] Possible new sudo space

Just because that's the usual context for gentrification. "pretty mixed" in that context meant in the interests and jobs of the residents. I meant w o is already home to many anarchists/ makers/ artists. Not clear though, fair. I should look up the race breakdown though. It's 65% black I think and the rest Asian Latino and white. Not in that order, I don't remember the order. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote: > Sonja, given that -- as you say -- West Oakland is "pretty mixed" > racially and culturally, what is it that leads you to conclude that Amber > was talking about black people, and commenting on race? > > Pete > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Sonja Trauss &lt;sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: > > Yeah you need to give black people more credit. Did you know, some of > them like coffee shops also? some of them can read? Some of them have > computers? Some of them might become sudo members? Black people are pretty > similar to white people and like lots of the same things!!! Wow. > > In any case w. O. Is pretty mixed. There are lots burners and anarchists > there that would like sudo room too. My roommate Randall will be there > every day if you move to 8th and Alice. > > Listen if anyone on this list is actually worried about the harmful > effects of gentrification, I'm happy to brainstorm how to accomplish these > two specific goals: > Under no circumstances should the west Oakland housing projects move or > be converted. (This will not be a real concern for 25 years, but still) > Make new building in w o very very easy. The main attractive feature of w > O is cheapness of rent. We still have plenty of empty space. There is no > reason that supply tightness should cause rents to rise for 50 more years > SO LONG AS ANTI GENTRIFICATION concerns DONT PREVENT NEW BUILDING. > > > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > Everybody has different views on gentrification. But speaking for myself, > the kind that bothers me is the high-security condos with on-site parking > where rich people get cheap real estate and then have zero incentive or > inclination to engage with their neighbors. They drive to work, drive to > Whole Foods, and in between sit behind bars on their balconies while their > neighbors push shopping carts by their fortresslike front doors to the > recycling center. > > Sudo Room *exists* to build community. It may not build the kind of > community that everybody wants to participate in, but it does offer > opportunities that don't exist absent a hacker space. It's hard for me to > imagine Sudo Room doing damage to its neighborhood, and even if something > unexpected happened, I think its community would act quickly to correct the > problem. > > Pete > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM, AnimationAmber . < > amberyadaanimation(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > It should be noted that aiming for a space in a "less-gentrified" > neighborhood does overlook the possibility that Sudo's presence would have > a gentrifying effect. Thoughts? > > -amber > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Marc Juul &lt;juul(a)labitat.dk&gt; wrote: > > Matt, Jenny and myself went and looked at another space that could > potentially be a new sudo space. > > We've started gathering information about it here: > > https://sudoroom.org/wiki/8th_and_Alice > > My personal feeling about the space is: > > This is an awesome space with lots of natural light. It addresses two of > the major concerns raised about The Omni in being two blocks from BART in a > neighborhood that seems/feels safer than the area around MacArthur BART, > and in being located in a less gentrified neighborhood. The one drawback in > comparing it to the current space and The Omni is the lack of a big > separate common area for events. It is _very_ similar to Noisebridge in > almost every way. > > -- > marc/juul > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > -- > >