Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

People want porn for somthing easy to focus on while masturbating. Masturbating being a natural part of life. I also dont think that all people who can have sex with others, but don't , are doing so because they don't have the "skills" On May 4, 2013 7:20 PM, "Sonja Trauss" &lt;sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com <mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com>> wrote: Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn for? On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" &lt;andrew(a)vagabondballroom.com <mailto:andrew@vagabondballroom.com>> wrote: When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and male and female strippers. Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two genders. In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is. Porn is mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of that, taken as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this perspective and representation of sex and there needs to be more. On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" &lt;sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com <mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com>> wrote: Can I get a link for this gonorreah story? On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" &lt;g2g-public01(a)att.net <mailto:g2g-public01@att.net>> wrote: Romy & Yo's- Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off." Wow. Thanks for pointing that out. I never noticed that before (OTOH attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my attention), but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere. I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way (e.g. medical contexts). Being looked at "that way" produces the creepy feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual. The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't want to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially different to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body." But it would be foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic method is used. This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography. For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no cue for communication with the person. Nudes in general don't do it either: all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are missing, so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context with someone I don't really know? I've always felt that way but now we have the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to get intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome could be a life-threatening illness. For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose in the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you in a matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time, zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV. In which case photography that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't just gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces attitudes that put people at risk for their lives. -G. ===== On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote: their faces cut off and show men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss