Re: [sudo-discuss] there are no LPFM slots on the FM band in the bay area, period.

still think FM as a medium has some romance and cool left in it, I don't know that it's actually worth it, given the cost and effort. Completely naiive riffing follows, but -- since decentralizing information and the means of production are (for me) integral to freeing information / culture.. if one wanted to recolonize the airwaves, I wonder if it might be possible to simply distribute LPFM? Ie, give people a small appliance that transceives internet radio into LPFM or way lower-power radio, ie just for their block / neighborhood / whathaveyou.. A device that doesn't take a whole lot of power, that is innately not geographically bounded, and can become a diaspora of signal. And not necessarily legal but decentralized and dispersed.. if enough folks did this in aggregate in a given neighborhood or community, could that collectively function coverage-wise as a single relatively strong broadcast / antenna? Has anyone tried anything similar, or does this even make sense..? dreamin' On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com [20]> wrote: agree on not having transmitter co-located with hq. dropping > repeaters nearby can also prevent pinpointing by birds overhead. > > on Nov 03, 2013, NAOMI MOST <pnaomi(a)gmail.com [17]> wrote: > > Dudes I was THERE managing tech for Pirate Cat went that all >> went >> down. See also: >> >> >> >

>> >> >> The major difference here to what was suggested above is that >> Pirate >> Cat hosted its antenna in many many different places over the >> years. >> We moved it every 3 months or so. And 95% of the membership >> didn't >> know where it was. >> >> My point was to ask the question WHY put up the antenna at >> all. >> >> The return on investment for putting up an antenna -- >> particularly, >> one physically located at the locus of control as opposed to >> offsite >> somewhere like in a van or something -- is pretty abysmal. >> Listenership to the airwaves continues to drop. >> >> If you decided to jam some corporate radio station, you'd be >> implicating Sudo Room and the feds would come down on it >> sooner or >> later. >> >> If you just wanted to squat some frequency in the lower band, >> you'd >> have an abysmal listenership at the cost of the power of >> operating the >> antenna. >> >> It's just not that compelling an exercise for the amount of >> risk. >> Not for me, anyway. I guess a lot of people still feel that >> the >> airwaves are somehow inherently exciting. >> >> --Naomi >> >> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Gregg Horton >> <greggahorton(a)gmail.com [2]> wrote: >> > We agree on absolutely nothing so I abstain >> >>> >>> On Nov 3, 2013 5:17 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" >>> >> <g2g-public01(a)att.net [3]> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> If someone or a group wants to propose or operate a radio >>>> >>> station in an >> >>> act of peaceful civil disobedience, they should research >>>> >>> the regs, laws, >> >>> and potential penalties, and talk with an attorney who has >>>> >>> represented >> >> clients who have engaged in similar acts in the past. That >> would be a >> >>> project for a group that is not formally identical with SR. >>>> >>>> The most successful peaceful civil disobedience actions in >>>> >>> the past >> >> fifty years have been conducted by people who were not >> only >> >>> well-grounded in principles, but also had trained >>>> >>> themselves in how to >> >>> interact in a peaceful and effective manner with all of the >>>> >>> people they >> >> would come into contact with, including law enforcement >> and government >> >>> officials. The civil rights movement and the Clamshell >>>> >>> Alliance >> >>> anti-nuclear group are excellent examples to study, and >>>> >>> much of their >> >> material can be found online. >> >>> >>>> All of that said, online/internet radio is still the >>>> >>> fastest way to >> >>> reach an audience with no geographic limits or regulatory >>>> >>> risks, and >> >>> spreading the word is easy. Linkage with other online >>>> >>> broadcasters can >> >> build up a seamless network with 24/7/365 coverage. >> >>> >>>> To challenge the existing AM/FM broadcast status-quo, will >>>> >>> inevitably >> >>> require challenging station licenses in order to re-capture >>>> >>> spectrum. >> >> And the best place to start is by challenging the crowding >> of spectrum >> >>> by multiple redundant right-wing religious broadcasters. >>>> >>> The case for >> >>> it is clear and obvious in any area with strong cultural >>>> >>> diversity, and >> >> a win is a victory on multiple fronts. >> >>> >>>> Under-thinking, rather than over-thinking, is the risk for >>>> >>> failure. >> >>> Reaction is not action. >>>> >>>> -G >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ===== >> >>> >>>> >>>> On 13-11-03-Sun 4:39 PM, Jake wrote: >>>> >>> Just put a big fucking antenna on the roof and start >>>> >>> broadcasting, if >> >>> >>> you don't, i will, god damnit. >>>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Stop overthinking things and do it. >>>> >> >>>> >> Why? So you can inflict a $20,000 fine on Sudo Room as >>>> >>> quickly as >> >>> >> humanly possible? >>>> >>> >> > >> >>> > it takes a long time and a lot of work and listeners >>>> >>> before you even >> >>> > get the ten-day warning, let alone an unenforcable fine. >>>> >>> Don't forget >> >>> > that Berkeley Liberation Radio has been broadcasting for >>>> >>> almost ten >> >> > years now, interrupted more often by their own failures >> than by two >> >>> > FCC raids where the FCC basically snatched their >>>> >>> equipment and fled >> >>> > like cowards. >>>> > >>>> > No one at BLR has ever been successfully "fined", and >>>> >>> even the NAL >> >> > (Notice of Apparent Liability) filed against Stephen >> Dunifer of FRB >> >>> > before them has just sat uncollected, like almost all >>>> >>> NALs against >> >>> > pirates, for twenty years now. Stephen's very public >>>> >>> response to the >> >> > Notice of Apparent Liability was "Apparently not." >> >>> > >>>> > The FCC's fine enforcement mechanism is to threaten to >>>> >>> revoke your >> >>> > stations lisence. This works when they fine lisenced >>>> >>> broadcasters for >> >> > the seven deadly words or whatever, but filed against an >> unlisenced >> >>> > person it's a joke. Witness the fine against Daniel >>>> >>> Robert of Pirate >> >>> > Cat Radio, which is an example of a person who put his >>>> >>> full name all >> >> > over everything and even corresponded with the FCC in >> the mail, making >> >>> > it personal. They haven't even collected anything from >>>> >>> him. >> >>> > >>>> > here's the story of pirate cat's fine: >>>> >>> >> > >> >>> > >>>> >>> >> >

>> >> >> > >> >>> > >>>> > The point is, if sudoroom decides as a group to broadcast >>>> >>> a signal >> >>> > from the roof or wherever (we can stream over the >>>> >>> internet you know) >> >>> > then sudoroom can decide for itself whether it wants to >>>> >>> keep going >> >> > after getting a "ten day notice to cease broadcasting" >> If that EVER >> >>> > happens. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>> >> http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-264276A1.html > >> [5] >> >> >> > >> >>> > and if a broadcast is not coming from the building where >>>> >>> sudoroom is, >> >>> > then it is not even a matter for sudoroom to have to >>>> >>> decide on. >> >>> > Sudoroom can continue to have an internet streaming radio >>>> >>> station and >> >> > leave it at that. >> >>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org [6] >>>> >>> >> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [7] >> >>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org [8] >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [9] >>>> >>> > >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org [10] >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [11] >>> >> > >> >> -- >> Naomi Theora Most >> naomi(a)nthmost.com [12] >> +1-415-728-7490 [13] >> >> skype: nthmost >> >> http://twitter.com/nthmost [14] >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org [15] >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [16] >> > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org [18] > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [19] > _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org [21] http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [22]