Re: [sudo-discuss] Spiritual analysis of last weeks Meeting

Look, here's the problem with deliberating long hours over bureaucracy in a hacker organization: Greetings lovelies, If I may step in with some perspective based on about a decade of hanging out in hacker groups... Hackers' primary M.O. is GETTING AROUND RULES. So, if you, on an individual level, enjoy making up rules and getting semantics perfect, you should do that... as a project... on your own time. Because I guarantee you that *at least* those 11 people who abstained last week, plus several more I'm sure, were sitting there completely disengaged from that special interest project, because it is not fundamentally interesting. Why is it not interesting? Well, for something to be interesting, it has to feel as though it actually affects you. If you believe that rules are made for getting-around, then of what interest is it, really, what the content of those rules actually is? I can make some strong arguments as to why front-loading your rules-making in a hacker culture is a waste of time at best, and dangerous at worst. (One example: some of the people who are most interested in the letter of the law turn out to be the most interested in twisting it to their own ends.) But to be honest, I'd rather get back to hacking. I'll see some of you tonight for sudo room radio stuff. Many of you I will not see for radio stuff, because it may not be of interest. :) Cheers, Naomi -- Naomi Theora Most naomi(a)nthmost.com +1-415-728-7490 skype: nthmost http://twitter.com/nthmost