Re: [sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Don't leave valuables in your car!

++11 jake, daniel.. One of the ongoing, hard-work aspects of maintaining a true Commons IMO is that I think it's important to presume good intentions on the part of every newcomer to the space, even if they are wrong, misinformed, or prove (as all such people always eventually will) to not have them. We can save ourselves some of this quotidian labor by signage, though as with Joel's signs we should aggregate as much info per sign as is legible in about 15 seconds so we don't done day have too too many signs everywhere (lest we give an impression of being in a space ruled by too many imperatives and prohibitions..although we are presently pretty far away from that end if the spectrum to be sure! :) On Tuesday, June 16, 2015, Dante Cassius &lt;exaltedunmelody(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Very well said Jake :) > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Noemie Serfaty &lt;noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Sounds great! >> I'm on it. >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: >> >>> I think that the majority of white america is mostly ignorant of these >>> realities, and that it would be a good idea to make a poster that explains >>> it, in plain english, so that good-intentioned people can be informed. >>> >>> I don't think the suggestion to summon police would have been made by >>> someone aware of these issues. I think that the most direct route to >>> awareness will be signs, posters and flyers, directed toward people who >>> should know better, but don't. >>> >>> Of course it's the duty of the privileged to educate themselves, but as >>> a community of people who are in possession of this knowledge, we should do >>> what we can to make sure newcomers to our community are informed of this >>> important issue, to prevent a repeating pattern of ignorant accidents. >>> >>> I assume the Material Print Machine or one of the many giant laser >>> printers at sudoroom are up to the task of reproducing a well-worded primer >>> on police brutality and police reality. >>> >>> -jake >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Noemie Serfaty wrote: >>> >>> I guess it sums it up: >>>> >>>> If OPD sees a black man sleeping in a car, they shoot him. >>>> >>>> If you are white and ask them to protect the property you leave in >>>> your car, they might do it. >>>> Because they've proved that they care more about your property than >>>> they do about a black life. >>>> >>>> The question is, do you want to be complicit to that? >>>> >>>> Is that issue something we could include in our safe space policy? Is >>>> there a need to carve it in stone somewhere in the building? I'll do >>>> whatever is >>>> needed to make it a thing: OPD friendly discourse is really, really >>>> NOT OK. It's offensive and threatening to the people who are from Oakland, >>>> to the >>>> people here who get harrassed on a daily basis, to the people here who >>>> dedicate, sometimes sacrifice their lives to the struggle for dignity and >>>> their >>>> basic human rights. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Noemie Serfaty < >>>> noemieserfaty(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 to yar and daniel. I'm pretty upset right now. >>>> >>>> So, let's be clear. If you come from far to be at the Omni, then >>>> be aware that you are arriving in a city where a lot of people suffer from >>>> poverty, racism and police brutality. Don't be a gentrifier. If >>>> you want your valuable belongings to be safe, then don't leave them in your >>>> car. >>>> And don't ask the cops to protect your property. >>>> They killed another black man, the father of a friend, a few >>>> days ago. He was sleeping in his car. OPD has invited 10 FBI agents to join >>>> their troop. The pigs are not our friends, and it's not funny. >>>> If you don't notice it, then I invite you to put yourself in the shoes of >>>> someone with less than you. >>>> >>>> On Jun 15, 2015 9:36 PM, &quot;danarauz(a)gmail.com&quot; < >>>> danarauz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> Sorry Joe, I meant Jacob. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:29 PM, danarauz(a)gmail.com < >>>> danarauz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> Joe: Please do not invite cops to the Omni area. >>>> SERIOUSLY, this is not a joke. >>>> Police do NOT care about Black and Brown people. >>>> And IF there were good cops they will be arresting all those racist >>>> killer cops. >>>> >>>> COPS are armed and HIGHLY DANGEROUS, specially toward people with out >>>> White Privilege. >>>> >>>> And the more you talk, the more they learn about you and your friends. >>>> >>>> Why not to talk to Police Officers: >>>> https://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Christian Elssner &lt;celssner(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> Is the camera visible? If it is hidden it kind of defeats the >>>> purpose. >>>> These are the kind of stickers I was thinking of (just a suggestion). >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FY0WDK/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=… >>>> VPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0JDGP6B7JX67H52MR34K >>>> [IMAGE] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: >>>> I think it would make more sense to put signs up saying "if you >>>> leave anything in your car, the windows will get >>>> broken and it will be stolen, even if it's covered up by an old >>>> shirt." >>>> >>>> after all, there is a camera on the corner (pointed at omni) and >>>> it probably captures lots of car burglaries - i >>>> don't think anyone gets busted that way. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Christian Elssner wrote: >>>> >>>> Alternative to cops would be to place a few stickers >>>> around Omni stating that the area has surveillance >>>> cams. Or even place a fake couple fake ones around. >>>> >>>> >>>> [jZXzVcR.gif] >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:02 PM, &lt;hol(a)gaskill.com&gt; wrote: >>>> there is the best alternative to inviting more >>>> police, same as the subject line. >>>> >>>> additional info is not needed to substantiate that >>>> the omni as a collective is not in favor of an >>>> increased police presence. >>>> >>>> On 2015-06-09 10:16, yar wrote: >>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Stephen Novotny >>>> &lt;novotny.stephen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> I think it's a terrible idea to ask cops >>>> to patrol our streets more often. >>>> There is no immediate solution to >>>> preventing theft other than removing >>>> valuables from cars. >>>> >>>> >>>> Just for the record, I've lived in Oakland >>>> almost a decade, I've >>>> driven to Omni 100+ times, and my car has >>>> NEVER been broken into. 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