Re: [sudo-discuss] cuddling it

I think you all really nailed it. On May 3, 2013 3:44 PM, "Anthony Di Franco" &lt;di.franco(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Allow me to provide a walkthrough then. > To be civilized is, here, to be part of a settled society with an elite > that controls distribution of resources, social standing, and everything > else it can, and therefore to give up one's own capacity to provide for > oneself among peers those things, which includes giving up the use of > violence to a caste approved by the elite to use violence only for ends > compatible with its own. It can be contrasted with different flavors of > being a barbarian, and my favorite way of doing this is Venkat Rao's here<http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2011/03/10/the-return-of-the-barbarian/&g…n/>, > which among many other things sheds some light on the broader significance > of the rise of hackerspaces, I think. > According to wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage>, > "The term *noble savage* (French, *bon sauvage*) expresses the concept > of an idealized indigene, outsider, or "other<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other>" > and refers to the literary stock character<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_character> > ." > As lamented by Common in I Used to Love H.E.R<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99iG4HoO1c>1c>, > playing to the not-so-noble-savage character of the violent, misogynist > gangster to win the patronage of both elites psychologically craving a > shadow other to project their own sins onto, and to subclasses craving the > free exercise of their natural powers that they have given up in the > process of becoming civilized that is perversely represented by the symbol > of elite power and privilege projected onto the noble savage, is a key part > of the story of the co-optation of hip-hop culture into the mainstream. > So, of course, I have no reservations about saying such a thing in public. > > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:22 PM, netdiva &lt;netdiva(a)sonic.net&gt; wrote: > >> Not rhetorical enough, but I'll leave this here for now. >> >> >> On 5/3/2013 3:18 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote: >> >>> No worries. My response was a rhetorical answer. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, netdiva &lt;netdiva(a)sonic.net <mailto: >>> netdiva(a)sonic.net&gt;&gt; wrote: >>> >>> Dont worry, that was really just a rhetorical question. >>> >>> >>> On 5/3/2013 3:11 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote: >>> >>> Of course. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM, netdiva &lt;netdiva(a)sonic.net&lt;mailtomailto: >>> netdiva(a)sonic.net&gt; <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Â Â Did you actually just say this in public? >>> >>> >>> Â Â On 5/3/2013 3:04 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote: >>> >>> Â Â Â Â Doesn't the civilized psyche secretly crave the >>> things it sets itself >>> Â Â Â Â apart from and gives up and projects on its image >>> of the noble savage >>> Â Â Â Â though? >>> >>> Â Â Â Â Your description seems more like meditatively >>> flowing through it. >>> >>> >>> Â Â Â Â On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM, netdiva < >>> netdiva(a)sonic.net <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net> <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net<mailto: >>> netdiva(a)sonic.net&gt;&gt; >>> Â Â Â Â <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net> >>> <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net>>>> wrote: >>> >>> Â Â Â Â Here I was thinking "killing it" was just another >>> example of >>> Â Â Â Â appropriation of african american vernacular by the >>> mainstream. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Â Â Â Â On 5/3/2013 2:46 PM, Leonid Kozhukh wrote: >>> >>> Â Â Â Â "killing it" is a recently popular term to denote >>> excellence and >>> Â Â Â Â immense progress. it has a violent, forceful >>> connotation. >>> >>> Â Â Â Â friends in the circus community - through empirical >>> evidence - have >>> Â Â Â Â established a belief that operating at the highest >>> levels of talent >>> Â Â Â Â requires mindfulness, awareness, and calm. thus, a >>> better term, which >>> Â Â Â Â they have started to playfully use, is "cuddling >>> it." >>> >>> Â Â Â Â thought sudoers would appreciate this. >>> >>> Â Â Â Â cuddling it, >>> >>> Â Â Â Â -- len >>> >>> Â Â Â Â founder, ligertail http://ligertail.com >>> >>> >>> Â Â Â Â ______________________________**_______________________ >>> sudo-discuss >>> Â Â Â Â mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.__** >>> ____org >>> Â Â Â Â <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists. <mailto: >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.&gt;__**s__udoroom.org <http://s__udoroom.org> < >>> http://sudoroom.org> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.__s**udoroom.org<http://sudoroom.org><mailto: >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.**sudoroom.org &lt;sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 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