27 Nov
2013
27 Nov
'13
10:04 p.m.
from the earlier thread about the 8th st space:
It addresses two of the major concerns raised about The Omni in being two
blocks from BART in a neighborhood that seems/feels safer than the area
around MacArthur BART, and in being located in a less gentrified
neighborhood.
not to make it into a blow-by-blow, but to clarify. when people took off
with the safety/crime issue, i noticed the comment about gentrification,
and asked myself, "why is being in a less gentrified space a plus?" maybe
that's the question i could have posed, to be more direct. instead, i asked
about (heaven forbid) considering the effects of sudo's presence in the
area (and tbh not being familiar with the area). since then, marina has
clarified that level of gentrification isn't on the wiki as criteria for
the space. (also of note, neither is safety level.) looking back, i also
see that marc/juul's comments were meant as personal observations, not as
any kind of official stance.
however...
i do think it's useful, helpful, educational, and important to discuss
gentrification. i don't think it is "race-baiting" (although yes people
easily make it about only race, just as easily as some try not to make it
about race). just because we can't "solve" it here doesn't diminish its
value.
take-aways for me at this point echo some others':
1) there should be solid effort to reach out to neighbors and surrounding
community to gather what the area's needs are according to its people,
wherever the new space is
2) it might be a good practice to have regular guided* in-person group
discussions around race, intersections of oppression, oakland history,
white supremacy, gentrification, etc.
*guided as in, by someone who has a strong level of analysis and
understanding of the subject at hand, and with skills to healthily direct
the emotions stirred up by such discussions.
thanks.
-amber
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:53 PM, solarimix <solarimix(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes Marcus. You're so correct.
Cappuccinos and cupcakes..lol. I prefer the grit. Keep that acorn
affordable to P.O.C.
One Love
Marcus Owens <owens.marcus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Just to chime in having observed this thread, and having previously
restrained myself from noting 8th/Alice is not west oakland, and in the
wake of the bizarre white guilt racism on the recent threads- I don't want
to be pedantic but as an urbanist I usually shudder when bay area liberals
start talking about gentrification, invariably bringing identity and
cultural politics into the mix. Identity and culture are important but
gentrification is an issue of political economy, period. As geographer
Dave Madden writes in this on-point guardian piece,
<http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/10/gentrification-not-urban-renaissance>
"The least useful way to criticize gentrification is to obsess about an
area's character, coolness, or even worse, "grit". Lamenting the
proliferation of cupcakes and cappuccino is a staple of reporting on places
like Williamsburg or Dalston. But this kind of story reduces something
that's all about inequality to middle-class agonizing over authenticity."
In short, while people such as ourselves are often able to leverage our
relative economic, social, cultural capital in securing housing more so
than other segments of society, real estate is not reducible to a consumer
choice akin to buying a t-shirt or an mp3 off itunes. White people didn't
"just decide" to leave Oakland in the post-war years, and young people
aren't "just deciding" to move back to the city for kicks. I don't
know
about you all but my choice in housing wasn't between getting a mortgage in
the suburbs or moving to east oakland. It was between a few places like
east oakland, and has been in every city I've lived in.
There are political and financial forces shaping the way we live and work
that are stronger than the few choices we may have in finding housing,
however greater these choices may be than those that more marginalized
members of society have. It's important to keep the focus where it belongs-
dismantling capitalism and the system of white supremacy that keeps it in
place and building community, not self-loathing white/middle-class guilt.
m
p.s. David Madden is basically riffing off the late great geographer Neil
Smith. One starting point for further inquiry: *The new urban frontier:
Gentrification and the revanchist city*. Routledge, 1996.
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
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Some clarification:
The new location has been completely neglected for the past 15 years, and
we were intentionally invited by the folks behind Creative Development
Partners <http://creativedevelopmentpartners.com> as the kind of
community-oriented maker/project space they're hoping to see thrive in this
neighborhood.
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>wrote;wrote:
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I totally agree with batkid. As a black person
who has contributed
directly to the gentrification of west oakland I'd like to say that
gentrification is an issue that can not be reduced to race, social status,
industry, etc. I would encourage people to think critically about how their
actions affect the communities they live in, but not to get caught up in
liberal guilt land unless you plan on taking some kind of direct action.
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Craig Rouskey <craigrouskey(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
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Huh? I thought the new location was unoccupied?
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:59 AM, The Batkid <batkid(a)gmx.com> wrote:
> I don't understand the strange self flagellating threads about
> gentrifying people out of Oakland while searching for a space.
> It's not productive and I truly do not understand what the end goal is
> here. We're not going to solve racism in the bay area
> with the mailing list.
>
> It's ok to displace the Chinese, but not blacks? WTF?
>
>
> Incentives applicable at this location:
>
> - The City of Oakland is offering business license and sales tax
> abatement as incentives
> - The State of California's manufacturing equipment sale and use
> tax exemptions
> - The State of California's California Competes income tax credit
> - The State of California's New Employment Credit
> - No African Americans would be displaced, only Chinese
>
>
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