31 Oct
2013
31 Oct
'13
7:19 a.m.
Banning someone for being annoying is something you guys will probably have
to do often and you should definitely not do it.
As far as I can tell, what makes NB dis functional is their commitment to
come one come all. "All" is not a great group, necessarily. If you are
trying to build a club that is self-governing, it has to have people in it
whose judgment you trust. There's nothing wrong with that I think.
On Thursday, October 31, 2013, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:
IMHO that seems excessively harsh. Banning someone from the list is
similar enough to banning them from the space, that it seems to me such
things entail a collective action by the community rather than an
administrative action or unilateral action by e.g. a list admin or someone
with keys to the door. Spambots and overt criminals are one thing, but
people who are merely annoying in some way are another.
Really: With all the talk about anarcho-this and collectivist-that and
consensus-the-other-thing, seems to me that unilaterally banning someone
for being merely annoying is a pretty major contradiction to core
principles.
If you or someone else wants to ban someone from the list or the space,
aside from emergencies such as bots and criminals, there are
dispute-resolution processes in place for that.
So I'm going to stick my neck out and ask that you reinstate him on the
list, and initiate the use of whatever collective processes exist for
resolving the issues you have with him.
-G
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On 13-10-31-Thu 2:54 AM, Marc Juul wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:24 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne
<g2g-public01@att.net<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'g2g-public01(a)att.net');>
wrote:
What happened? I thought the "john re" address had been captured or
spoofed by a spammer, but "giovanni_re" was a legit user, most recently
discussing the FCC application. Did the _giovanni_re" identity turn out to
be some kind of wolf in sheep's clothing? -G
He was banned for spamming the list about the FCC thing. Nine emails in
nine different threads over the course of a few hours about a project that
he has stated that he himself is not willing to work on. That is not
reasonable. He also showed up for the sudo room and counter culture labs
meetings and took an unreasonable amount of the community's time trying to
push this project onto others. It appears that he has been doing similar
things at noisebridge and other tech groups in the bay area.
In addition: Starting and running an LPFM station is no minor
undertaking, and Giovanni has continued his attempts to push this on people
even in the face of little interest. This might have all been fine if he
was actually spearheading the project, but he is not.
--
Marc