11 Apr
2013
11 Apr
'13
10:52 a.m.
Let's be really clear about this:
This is the explicit language in the sign-up document:
"Subscribing to sudo-discuss
Subscribe to sudo-discuss by filling out the following form. You will be
sent email requesting confirmation, to prevent others from gratuitously
subscribing you. This is a private list, which means that the list of
members is not available to non-members."
"THIS IS A PRIVATE LIST, WHICH MEANS THAT THE LIST OF MEMBERS IS NOT
AVAILABLE TO NON MEMBERS."
That's a representation of a material fact. And the link to the archive
says NOTHING about that archive being anything that would violate or
contradict the language I quoted above: no disclosure, no nothing.
Blatant misrepresentation.
"May need to be doing a better job" is the understatement of the year.
The answer is, I'm going to hold SudoRoom to the terms & conditions I
signed, and that material is going to be taken down immediately until
such time as anything I've posted in it can be removed from any publicly
searchable content. This is not optional, any more than free repair
under warranty is optional, or the absence of horsemeat in "100% beef
frankfurters" is optional.
I'm holding SudoRoom to its stated language.
-G.
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On 13-04-11-Thu 10:42 AM, Marina Kukso wrote:
hi george,
i'm very sorry that you feel that you did not consent to having this
information public. this list has been publicly archived since it
began and i think that we've tried to make that clear (although it
seems that we may need to be doing a better job!).
unfortunately i'm not sure to what extent the "welcome to sudo-discuss
list" email that new list members receive includes information about
content being publicly archived (could someone help with this?), but
perhaps we may need to make this more explicit in that letter.
for additional background on why we made the decision to publicly
archive contents, the idea is not necessarily to promote "transparency
and openness" as a matter of principle only, but because part of what
we wanted to do with sudo room is to make our history as easy for
others to use as possible so that others who are starting and running
hackerspaces can learn from our experience and discussion. in other
words, to facilitate ctrl-c/ctrl-v of hackerspaces around the world.
- marina
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Anon195714 <anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net
<mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Right, and when you slip LSD into the fruit punch at a party and
don't tell anyone, do you justify that by saying you're trying to
encourage enlightenment? Who needs informed consent anyway,
right? Hey, who needs consent of any kind?
Sorry yo, that don't go. It's NON CONSENSUAL, like seducing
someone and failing to disclose to them that you have STDs. It's
a trust-break in a big way.
I'm asserting my right to put this on the meeting agenda for next
Wednesday, and pull in any record of anything I signed that
contained TOS.
Let me be really clear about this: I'm as serious as a fucking
heart attack about this, and anyone who thinks it's a joke is
fucking sick.
This "open and transparent" stuff is starting to become a chant
fit for a cult, that short-circuits reason and critical thinking.
In reality it's a house of one-way mirrors foisted by the powerful
on the masses to enable "prediction and control" down to the level
of the individual.
Enough was enough long ago, just like muggings and the rest of it.
-G.
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On 13-04-11-Thu 10:07 AM, mattsenate(a)gmail.com
<mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com> wrote:
We set the list up to be public in an effort
to remain as
transparent and open as possible. This is a blessing and a
burden. We should be mindful of the scope of our language and
interested in maintaining private conversation off the list.
Additionally, if you seek a lot of privacy, I don't recommend
communicating over the internet if it can be helped.
// Matt
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From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical(a)comcast.net>
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To: "Romy Ilano" <romy(a)snowyla.com> <mailto:romy@snowyla.com>
Cc: "sudo-discuss" <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
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Subject: [sudo-discuss] Michael Orange - film events - Battle for
Brooklyn - any sudo members interested in an intro?
Date: Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:54 AM
Sudoers,
Why does our discussion list have to be published on the
internet? I don't personally want it to be that public. Who
decided it should be done that way, and is there another option?
Tracy
On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Romy Ilano <romy(a)snowyla.com
<mailto:romy@snowyla.com>> wrote:
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Hey here is one of the film events that
Michael Orange from top
10 social is presenting.
https://www.facebook.com/events/563556023675662/?notif_t=plan_user_invited
Michael's also working with the Oakland Library as well,so I'll
mention the history wki people from sudoroom are there!
this probably isn't necessary for anyone here... but in case one
or two people gets the temptation:
-- Michael Orange is an all around good guy--please treat him
well, minimize over the top business plans, "industry type
behavior", and approach him as you would a family member. If we
talk to him the wrong way it will be a smear on my reputation
and his opinion matters a lot to me. =D
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