Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208

FWIW—I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can include/add it. -C -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org You can reach the person managing the list at sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 From: Eddan Katz &lt;eddan(a)clear.net&gt; To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class Message-ID: &lt;512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of Jean Quan to not even look into it. In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little more fair and balanced reporting. On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: more: http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote: It's awesome, free press! On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren &lt;rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren@gmail.com>>> wrote: Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism" I have ever seen. Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html). Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". -Rusty On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote: Hi everyone, Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 Here is Oakland Local's response: http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… Anca -- -=-=-=- Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com&gt;&gt; M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org &lt;sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org&gt;&gt; http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- Cheers, Rusty Lindgren ** _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org &lt;sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org&gt;&gt; http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org &lt;sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org&gt;&gt; http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss