Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?

I'll eagerly support any proposal that entails a reasonable trust mechanism for giving new members a keycard, and there have been a lot of good ideas on the list today. Here's something personal about why I don't want an "easy" keycard/door policy or the door pegged open at all hours. I didn't have time or headspace to get into this when I wrote to the list on Thursday morning as I was about to run off to a client's site for the day. Some friends of mine had a recording studio in West Berkeley and they usually kept the door open. One day a guy barged in with a gun and grabbed one of my friends and told him _drive me where I tell you._ A half hour later that felt like eternity the guy got out of my friend's car and ran off. My friend wasn't harmed physically but the guy could have shot and killed him if he wanted to. The last studio I worked in professionally was in Richmond, and had an open access policy for anyone who said they wanted to do a project. One day someone called up, talked about doing an album, and then came over. The guy and his pals had guns and they literally rolled up the owner of the studio in a rug while they cleaned out the equipment racks and the mic cabinet. The owner shut the place down the next day. That place had major history in the Bay Area music scene, but that was the E-N-D of that. Badguys getting into creative spaces? It happened twice to people I knew, it can happen to us. That's why I said I'll hard-block "sign up now, get your cardkey now," but I'll support just about anything that involves a reasonable trust mechanism. --- Anything that involves having existing members vouch for new members is especially good, because it entails creating bonds of trust. It also entails existing members staking their reputations on their recommendations. I'd prefer any proposal that's "more than one person but less than a majority vote of the whole" vouching for a new member, because: Two or more people vouching for a new member is a good idea: they'll have a discussion between themselves, so all the good points and not-so-good points will come out. But if a large-group vote is required that's not as good because reduces the element of personal trust/relationship and reputation involved. And of course all members, even the one who just signed up five minutes ago, should be able to come and go any time someone with a key is in the space. They can push the door intercom button to get let in. The point that we've got a hackable door-contraption right now, with means-of-access posted to a public website, so therefore we should have an "easy" cardkey policy, doesn't move me, not even a millimeter. The contraption will eventually be upgraded to use card-keys and then presumably there won't be a way to get in that's posted on a public website. I've refrained from meowing about the current situation with the door, because I've seen it as a "work-in-progress" that's not going to remain that way for too much longer. -G. ===== On 13-04-04-Thu 4:38 PM, Marina Kukso wrote: