13 Dec
2023
13 Dec
'23
1:50 p.m.
My current hope is to make a counter proposal, then putting it in their
court to see if they are willing to take real action to make safe space for
Iranian dissidents. Also in our counter proposal, we can plan how we see
ourselves working with another partner nonprofit. I think this would be
useful to get a sense on generally, because potentially that could frame
how we approach other nonprofits or land trusts right now, and help with
collective financial literacy.
Paige
If not, then th
On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 9:23 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Paige I think it's fair to say that PP's
representative is the same person
we're talking about, who is an agent of the Iranian Government and a
defender
of the Iranian Regime / Morality Police. The fact that there are surely
other
people involved with the organization who are not necessarily involved
with or
even in 100% agreement with that political perspective does not change the
fact that the basis of the organization (and the position of those in
power in
that organization) are incompatible with Omni and Sudoroom politics.
Please see this email about People's Programs to our list:
https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread…
I want to be clear that I vote for Sudoroom to block considering PP or CLP
from participating in Omni, or at least block the proposal they've made. I
think others have expressed the same sentiment but we should discuss it at
the
meeting tonight.
thank you
-jake
On Wed, 13 Dec 2023, Paige P via sudo-discuss wrote:
Also Edwinsaurus, please dont be patronizing to
people putting their all
into trying to keep this project going.
Also point of clarification, 1 of 2 of PP's founder/chairpeople, works
for
PressTV. How baked Iranian regime support is into
PP membership is not
known. Im not trying to diminish this concern, but lets not overdo our
accusations.
On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 12:03 PM Jake Watters <typeinthenumber(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Edwin I wish you wouldn't write quite this way to this list, even
though
I
> agree with your point in principle.
>
> I know I may have set a bad example in some of my messages to Yar but
the
> wording and theme of your message really
doesn't seem appropriate.
Please
> help keep this list non-gross.
>
> Also Yar has already acknowledged in another email that PP is not a good
> fit for us (literally an employee of PressTV)
>
> -jake
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 11:38 Edwinsaurus <plutosaurus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Yar, I don't think "passing the baton to them (people's
programs)
is
>> a wise idea. Getting a good vibe when
looking into someone's eyes at
an
>> event may work sometimes when deciding if
we should sleep with them,
but
>> there is a lot more at stake here and any
future partners need to be
>> thoroughly vetted. Agree? Keep looking. Thanks.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:49 PM Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss <
>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> This was an explicit death wish and nonconsensual photography
>>>> Why would you expect the victim to come forward for mediation?
>>>
>>> She already has, and we are working to resolve this conflict. There is
>>> no death wish. The main issues here are fears and tensions among local
>>> black, iranian and palestinian communities, and I believe justice can
be
>>> arrived at with patience and
understanding.
>>>
>>>> they will put it toward a charitable purpose, such as low-income
>>> housing
>>>
>>> So you'd rather see the building knocked down, than share it with PP?
>>> Are we that petty??
>>>
>>> PP made a great proposal with significant overtures and concessions to
>>> us. It's legally very open-ended. This is an opportunity for Jesse to
write
>>> a counter-proposal/MOU with fine
print giving protections &
guarantees to
>>> us and the building, while still
honoring everything they explicitly
asked
>>> for.
>>>
>>> I strongly disagree with some of PP's politics, but unlike CLP, these
>>> are honest people grounded in community with long-standing local
ties.
They
>>> live here, use their real names,
don't hide behind anonymous
protonmails or
>>> sock puppets. Unlike CLP, they have a
genuine desire to use
restorative
>>> justice to resolve petty disputes,
rather than just use politics as an
>>> excuse to treat people like shit. Unlike CLP, our differences can be
>>> resolved with time and good faith.
>>>
>>> CLP are assholes, and CLP definitely wanted to bring in PP for
>>> ideological reasons. PP also took the CLP lies at face value, boosted
them,
>>> and came in hot on us. This was bad
judgement, but doesn't mean
conspiracy.
>>> Frankly I don't blame them for
assuming their comrades' post was
true, and
>>> if it was, then we'd have
deserved it.
>>>
>>> Of all the options I've seen so far, PP is by far the best. They're
not
>>> perfect, but nobody is. When I look
into folks' eyes at their People's
>>> Breakfast program, I see a large community of wonderful radical folks
who
>>> are ready to do hard work and take
ownership of something big. I see
us 10
>>>> years ago. I would feel good passing the baton to them.
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