1 Mar
2013
1 Mar
'13
3:23 p.m.
I see it somewhat differently, and think the Workshop Weekend letter was
thoughtful and appropriate, given the circumstances.
I think the letter was most effective in almost completely narrowing a
public debate that quickly spun ridiculously out of proportion and
corrected the gross misrepresentation of the first stories covering it. It
makes a lot of sense in terms of being sensitive to the particular climate
in Oakland right now, and I didn't get the impression that it was
apologetic about actually holding the workshop. In fact, they(we)'re going
forward with holding it even after the Police Chief himself came out
publicly saying it was wrong in no uncertain terms and the Mayor officially
disassociating herself from the initiative. To stand stubbornly firm in the
context of a fatal shooting at the last Art Murmur over rhetorical leeway
would likely be seen as insensitive and provocative.
All the sincere stuff about building skills and teaching a way of thinking
would get totally lost in the mainstream media cloud. The editors are
unsurprisingly having fun with the headlines. *See* SF Weekly - "Mayor Jean
Quan Promotes Lock-Picking Classes, Gives Young Burglars a Chance to
Succeed" [
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2013/02/mayor_jean_quan_offers_lock-pi.…
]
It was smart to leave the core explanation of why this is important to a
block-quote by T.O.O.O.L., who teach the class. I also think it was a smart
move to pull back from selling the kits this time around - no use getting
the education meme sullied by claims of commercial opportunism. It would be
cynical not to concede that selling lock-picking paraphernalia alongside
lock-picking lessons could reasonably be seen as inappropriate
encouragement. It's not about being right - our ultimate goal is to
actually engage with the community meaningfully, right?
All that having been said, I have not hidden my opinion that Sudo Room
should also publish a statement, as the community hosting the event in our
common space. I'm interested to find out if that sense is shared by others
and even more importantly, legitimately opposed.
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Michael Scroggins <
michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In my opinion, the letter is overly apologetic.
Neither Workshop Weekend
nor SudoRoom has done anything that needs to be apologized for.
Apologizing for the way the workshop was advertised implies there is
something wrong with the holding a public lock picking workshop, which
there is not. I wouldn't cede the rhetorical high ground on this point.
I love the TOOL statement. I think it strikes exactly the right note. If
there is to be a SudoRoom statement (does there need to be?) I think it
should be in line with the TOOL statement.
Michael
J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:
For those interested, Workshop Weekend (that is, my brother and I)
prepared the following statement on the lockpicking issue. We fully support
Sudo Room having its own statement on the issue too.
===========
Over the past two days, Workshop Weekend has received complaints from
concerned citizens of Oakland about the upcoming "Introduction to
Lockpicking" workshop being offered as part of Workshop Weekend on March 2,
2013. The workshop will run as scheduled, but in response to community
concerns, lock-picking tools will no longer be offered for sale at the
event.
As Oakland residents ourselves, we have felt Oakland's crime problem, and
we appreciate the community's concerns that offering a lock-picking
workshop appears to encourage crime and sends the wrong message. We
recognize now that it was insensitive to have the workshop listed and
broadcast in the way that it was, and we regret doing so.
To provide some background, Workshop Weekend invited The Open Organization
of Lockpickers (TOOOL) to run a workshop about lock-picking and lock
mechanisms this weekend.
Exploring lock-picking and understanding the limitations of locks is
valuable for everyone who relies on locks for physical security, and in
kids it can spark an interest in mechanical engineering and complex systems.
We would also like to share the following note from TOOOL, the group
offering the session: "We in TOOOL are of course sensitive to the concern
that occasionally surrounds our lock-themed workshops. We can only hope
that the atmosphere of openness, information sharing, and strong ethical
standards which is a part of all TOOOL meetings can assuage some concerns.
Knowing about the weaknesses in certain locks protects the public; it does
not aid criminals. Please visit our website -- toool.us -- for more
information."
We hope this note makes things clear to everyone; our goal is provide an
educational and inclusive experience for everyone in Oakland who would like
to be involved with our events.
*Workshop Weekend is a two-day celebration of hands-on learning taking
place in the heart of downtown Oakland, bringing together kids and adults
from Oakland as well as the rest of the Bay Area. The event encourages
exploration of new interests and passions by offering over 40 workshops in
subjects not typically taught in schools, including aeroponics,
electronics, and 3D printing. For more information, visit
workshopweekend.net*
We welcome your thoughts and comments at feedback(a)workshopweekend.net
===========
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Michael, you're not missing anything -- we
haven't finished drafting the
workshop weekend statement yet. :)
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Michael Scroggins <
michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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I must have missed something in the email chain
as I am unaware of the
Workshop Weekend letter. Of course, you are right that the two letters
should match, especially in front of the media. I can't help to think,
though, that this is an opportunity to drive home the broader point that
neither curiosity nor association is a crime.
Eddan Katz wrote:
Seems to me like sticking to correcting the misuse of the word
unconscionable can be respectful to the police chief and informative about
the difference between skills and criminal intent.
If Sudo Room does a separate statement, it should follow on Workshop
Weekend's letter and support its posture and position.
There'll be TV cameras there this weekend - we can feel pretty confident
about that. It would be very useful to share a common understanding in
order not to have our purpose misrepresented.
sent from eddan.com
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Michael Scroggins <
michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think a statement is well and proper. I also think arguing the right
to disinterest inquiry is the proper line.
To the earlier back and forth about "known gang members" ... one of the
differences between the people at SudoRoom and "known gang members" is
simply that to be classified as "known" is to be stripped of your right to
disinterested inquiry. All of your actions having been prejudged as
interested and malicious.
If the letter is worded right we can make a statement about the lock
picking class and about the direction policing in Oakland has taken.
Michael
Eddan Katz wrote:
J.D. - do you think there should be an additional statement from Sudo
Room?
Before we proceed any further - does anyone have objections to writing
such a letter or signing on to it? What the statement says is another
matter for which Sudo member objections should also feel empowered to
raise. Comments can be made anonymously on the etherpad or on IRC, if
someone isn't comfortable doing it on the list.
sent from eddan.com
On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Yeah, we were hoping to publish it tonight. Let me try to draft
something and send it on?
Part of me is concerned about editing a public statement on a public
list...
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
J.D. - where were you thinking of publishing this
letter?
I think it would make for a stronger and more thoughtful response if
there was a collective voice signing on to it either as a group or listed
as individuals.
With the help of the collective editorial prowess of the Sudo list, do
you think you would be ready to publish it before tomorrow morning?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Eddan <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
> I think the question is, rather - Can you get hired by a locksmith
> company without knowing how to pick a lock?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM, <thadwooster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I could be totally wrong on this, but I believe locksmiths are
>> required to be bonded, fingerprinted and licensed.
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, rusty lindgren wrote:
>>
>> WTF #@*)DKLJ
>>
>> I sent an email to that newb at the newspaper... UM, where do they
>> think locksmiths learn stuff? Should they have to pay to become a
>> locksmith???
>>
>> So stupid.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> ftfy!: THIS is unconscionable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Eddan <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now, this requires a response. Has anybody started drafting
>>>> something? If not, I will.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> Oakland Police Chief Howard
Jordan<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&am…
was
>>>> not pleased.
>>>>
>>>> "I'm in shock that people would provide a class to teach people
a
>>>> skill to violate the law," Jordan said. "It's
unconscionable."
>>>>
>>>> Lock-pick instructor Michael
Fitzhugh<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&…
is
>>>> a member of TOOOL (The Open Organisation Of
Lockpickers<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=sear…)ion+Of+Lockpickers%22>),
>>>> a Netherlands-based outfit that teaches and holds national and
>>>> international lock-picking events annually. In their world, lock picking
is
>>>> done for sport and bragging rights. But, he says, it's also a useful
tool
>>>> if you lock yourself out of your home.
>>>>
>>>> Jordan has a more conventional solution to that problem: "Call
>>>> a locksmith!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-cla…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even worse than Quan, this guy's so desperate to change the subject
>>>> about the incompetence of the OPD in news story after news story.
>>>>
>>>> Unconscionable!?! This coming from a police department that was
>>>> about to go into an unprecedented federal receivership for its failure
to
>>>> reform; not to mention a police department seared with a global
reputation
>>>> for brutality, racism, and excessive means; and whose fundamental
>>>> miscalculations and mismanagement of the response to Occupy cost the
city
>>>> millions of dollars.
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>>
>> Rusty Lindgren
>> **
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