Re: [sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Elliot Hughes

To add my voice to the discussion: - The incidents in this case should not be kept secret but told publicly to the list. Not that anyone is advancing this, but this should not be a closed session thing - elliot is part of more communities than sudo, so lets have the mediator but the circumstances should be public. I don't think Elliot would object to that. - May I ask, has elliot already been formally warned against any of this behavior, or not? It would be good to know. - It should be noted that in at least 3 of the incidents I know about at least over the last couple years, the genesis of the incident was Elliot's attempt to act to protect space and community around him, albiet in an badly escalating way that I agree is definitely something that has to stop. Nonetheless I think the intent and circumstance are germane. For example (to the best of my knowledge here): The first incident I'm aware of was an altercation with an individual who if I recall correctly was already banned from another collective, RPS, due to safe space issues. In the second instance our landlord back at 2141 set off a bug bomb while people were working in the space and Elliot forcibly removed it outside. In the second instance someone jimmied open the door with knife, called jenny a bitch and had to be escorted out. (This guy had disrupted public school classes in the past and is a verified creep.) In the third instance, I hear elliot thought a new sudo applicant (someone not yet well known in our community) was stealing. Prior to the altercation, at least one sudo organizer formally expressed concern for this new member's mental/emotional state. From what I understand its not clear whether the individual was stealing or not, but I believe this should be taken into account. Basically for all elliots faults I do see elliot as someone who actually tries to protect the space and those around him and I feel that this information is missing from the conversation about preserving safe space. I believe intent is not irrelevant and to elliot's mind, I am pretty sure, he is trying to keep the safe space, not make it less safe. That he does so in a reckless way is bad but the pattern to me seems to be elliot being overprotective and escalating. A caveat is most of my information is second-hand, but I felt such circumstances are germane. David On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:53 PM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: from sudo room articles: SECTION 2.3 BENEFITS The following are benefits available to all members: * Usable assets and resources [2] available within reasonable constraints of time and under the condition of sharing. * SUDO ROOM strives to make assets and resources available to as many non-member participants and beneficiaries as possible. * Note: no personal property should be stored in SUDO ROOM unless a system for personal storage can be provided by SUDO ROOM. * Note: the use of SUDO ROOM environments for habitation and/or domestic use is strongly discouraged. * Approved discounts and services negotiated through the collective purchasing power of SUDO ROOM. * Items are up to the discretion of SUDO ROOM to determine through its budgeting and decision-making processes. * A _safe space,_ which is defined as: * "A place where anyone can relax and be fully self-expressed, without fear of being made to feel uncomfortable, unwelcome, or unsafe on account of biological sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, cultural background, age, or physical or mental ability; a place where the rules guard each person's self-respect and dignity and strongly encourage everyone to respect others." -- Advocates for Youth via Wikipedia [3]. * A place free of physical violence or threats thereof. On 2015-01-15 16:21, Stephen Novotny wrote: yes. I think this is it https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy#4..E2.80.8E_.E2.80.8FConseq… [4] On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Karissa McKelvey <krmckelv(a)gmail.com> wrote: There needs to be clear guidelines surrounding who can access the commons otherwise the commons deteriorates. If someone breaks a rule, they should be subject to consequences. Is there no policy guideline surrounding physical violence in this commons?? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss [7] _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [1]