3 May
2013
3 May
'13
5:57 p.m.
I think you all really nailed it.
On May 3, 2013 3:44 PM, "Anthony Di Franco" <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Allow me to provide a walkthrough then.
To be civilized is, here, to be part of a settled society with an elite
that controls distribution of resources, social standing, and everything
else it can, and therefore to give up one's own capacity to provide for
oneself among peers those things, which includes giving up the use of
violence to a caste approved by the elite to use violence only for ends
compatible with its own. It can be contrasted with different flavors of
being a barbarian, and my favorite way of doing this is Venkat Rao's
here<http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2011/03/10/the-return-of-the-barbarian/&g…n/>,
which among many other things sheds some light on the broader significance
of the rise of hackerspaces, I think.
According to wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage>, "The
term *noble savage* (French, *bon sauvage*) expresses the concept of an
idealized indigene, outsider, or
"other<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other>"
and refers to the literary stock
character<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_character>
."
As lamented by Common in I Used to Love
H.E.R<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99iG4HoO1c>1c>,
playing to the not-so-noble-savage character of the violent, misogynist
gangster to win the patronage of both elites psychologically craving a
shadow other to project their own sins onto, and to subclasses craving the
free exercise of their natural powers that they have given up in the
process of becoming civilized that is perversely represented by the symbol
of elite power and privilege projected onto the noble savage, is a key part
of the story of the co-optation of hip-hop culture into the mainstream.
So, of course, I have no reservations about saying such a thing in public.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:22 PM, netdiva <netdiva(a)sonic.net> wrote:
Not rhetorical enough, but I'll leave this
here for now.
On 5/3/2013 3:18 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
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No worries. My response was a rhetorical answer.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, netdiva <netdiva(a)sonic.net <mailto:
netdiva(a)sonic.net>> wrote:
Dont worry, that was really just a rhetorical question.
On 5/3/2013 3:11 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
Of course.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM, netdiva <netdiva(a)sonic.net<mailtomailto:
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wrote:
  Did you actually just say this in public?
  On 5/3/2013 3:04 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
    Doesn't the civilized psyche secretly crave the
things it sets itself
    apart from and gives up and projects on its image of
the noble savage
    though?
    Your description seems more like meditatively
flowing through it.
    On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM, netdiva <
netdiva(a)sonic.net <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net>
<mailto:netdiva@sonic.net<mailto:
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<mailto:netdiva@sonic.net <mailto:netdiva@sonic.net>>>> wrote:
    Here I was thinking "killing it" was just another
example of
    appropriation of african american vernacular by the
mainstream.
    On 5/3/2013 2:46 PM, Leonid Kozhukh wrote:
    "killing it" is a recently popular term to denote
excellence and
    immense progress. it has a violent, forceful
connotation.
    friends in the circus community - through empirical
evidence - have
    established a belief that operating at the highest
levels of talent
    requires mindfulness, awareness, and calm. thus, a
better term, which
    they have started to playfully use, is "cuddling it."
    thought sudoers would appreciate this.
    cuddling it,
    -- len
    founder, ligertail http://ligertail.com
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