3 Sep
2014
3 Sep
'14
2:58 p.m.
Sorry hol, i didn't see the post about the width, i thought 30" would be
enough. After looking over craigslist i don't see anything that would
work! Oh well.
A couple of years ago a friend of mine took out a wheelchair lift from his
work van, i think it was pretty big but it was long gone.
Thanks for doing the hard work to make this happen.
-jake
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
jake,
i originally questioned the rationale of spending the $2500 on an inspection alone
if you recall. the purpose of that was to get clear
guidance on what will be required and to have full confidence that we would be
immune from ADA lawsuits in the future, in addition to not
having to waste our time and money constructing noncompliant features. per the
lease, all construction that we'll be reimbursed for 50% by
john has to be signed off by a licensed contractor. so if we pay 1/2 of $8000 and
have a lift that's legit and the contractor handles all the
permitting, etc, then that seems like a decent deal. please feel free to shop
around since I only got the one quote last week, the day after
the inspection.
without even having looked at the list of requirements
we are supposed to meet
Bathrooms: http://www.bobrick.com/Documents/PlanningGuide.pdf
Lifts: http://continuingeducation.construction.com/article.php?L=194&C=673&…
* 4.2.4.2Relationship of Maneuvering Clearance to Wheelchair Spaces. One full
unobstructed side of the clear floor or ground space for a
wheelchair shall adjoin or overlap an accessible route or adjoin another wheelchair
clear floor space. If a clear floor space is located in an
alcove or otherwise confined on all or part of three sides, additional maneuvering
clearances shall be provided as shown in Fig. 4(d) and (e)
(see diagram). (Comment: Wheelchair lifts are typically considered to be
alcoves. According to Fig. 4 (e), the minimum inside platform
dimensions for a wheelchair lift with its gates on opposite ends (so that the user
has a straight approach to the lift) are 36 inches x 48
inches.)
all the work we're planning at this stage is work that i identified prior to that
inspection simply by reading the codes. i also proposed buying a
used wheelchair lift on CL that would suit our application, and volunteered to install it
myself this week if someone else could fetch it. if you
prefer to hack out all the details like used car batteries, ballscrews, bearings, power
electronics, mechanical gate actuators, safety nut,
controls, etc in a way that will function reliably for the next few years without
maintenance, and you're willing to research and perform all that
work on the relevant timeline, that would certainly help advance things along that front.
I have not researched any electrical characteristics
other than total current demand from the mains so you'd have to take the lead on those
details. For my part, I have only had a limited amount of
bandwidth to work on this and am doing the best I can to meet our commitment to
accessibility. If anyone feels I am taking the wrong approach and
wants to do things differently I would be ecstatic to step back and focus on other
things.
cheers,
hol
On 2014-09-03 12:41, Jake wrote:
i look forward to finding out the regulations on size, load, battery capacity, etc.
because those are numbers we can work with. If the van lift on craigs
list (and there are many of them) fits those requirements, i don't see the problem.
As for battery capacity, a single car battery can surely serve to evacuate a meeting of 30
electric-wheelchair using visitors in a power failure with no p
roblem, especially since it would only need power to lift the empty platform up to receive
the next chair. Lowering doesn't take any power at all (except
for a tiny solenoid which releases pressure when you press the DOWN button), and if not,
batteries are really easy to buy more of!
It sounds like you're advocating against trying to do it ourselves without even having
looked at the list of requirements we are supposed to meet. Even if
it weren't for the thousands of dollars difference, I still think we should at least
consider "hacking something together ourselves"
-jake
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
I definitely think we need to consult with the guy who came to do the ADA
inspection before we decide on a creative solution
like converting a van lift. It's entirely likely that wheelchair lifts
for vans follow different regulations with respect to
size, load, battery capacity, etc. Considering that this is one of the few
expenses where our landlord will be pitching in
50%, I'd still say we should go with the professional $8K option and get
it done right, rather than hacking something
together ourselves. Patrik On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/for/4648013065.html yes it's for a van.
but if the dimensions are acceptible then it's a
solution. i talked with a lift shop today and I was told that getting a lift
certified by the state is a nighmare lasting
months and costing millions of dollars, involving load-testing and battery
backup etc. the "cheap" way of installing a
"residential" lift like the ones mentioned before would
"only" cost about $2500 if we get the one I linked above, we power
it with batteries anyway (it's made for a van) and that way, in a power
failure it will still work. That's one of the
requirements we need to have anyway. So I vote we go that direction. Of
course there is the accessibility professional we
contacted before, and we can ask them about this plan, but assuming the
hardware meets our needs for dimensions and
load-bearing I think it's a good solution. I am willing to help with the
adaptation and wiring, etc. -jake
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