Re: [sudo-discuss] Breaking: Oakland to lead country in, diverting anti-terror funding to ubiquitous warrantless surveillance

On 2013-10-15 18:21, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote: Roving wiretaps have a specific meaning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roving_wiretap If you would like to willfully ignore well-established meanings of words don't be surprised when people choose to stop talking to you. My phone runs Android 4.3 and it won't take dictation commands unless Google Now is in the foreground or I press the microphone at an input screen. IIRC, Siri on iOS requires tapping the home button 3 times to activate. Have fun trying to fake the location and yet stay in contact with towers close enough to be useful. Easy to use cell phone detector: http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/product/rf+signal+detector+ii.do If you don't like that one, you could just as easily find plenty more by using the search engine of your choice to search for cell phone detectors. I think that's good marketing, if you don't, you don't have your finger on the pulse of the police state. Yes it is, in cities like SF and Oakland, if someone is within earshot, there's a smartphone within earshot too. If you think they're all picking up all conversations or all conversations with keywords just set up a speaker to speak 'sarin bomb al-qaeda active shooter'. You're probably proposing that everyone on this list throw out their phone, so let's pretend that we're going to do that. There are now (let's say) 50 fewer phones out of a population of 380,000 in Oakland. I do. It's easy when they're mostly GPL thrust upon users as EULA (GPL is a distribution license, not a EULA). You should talk to someone with a smart phone sometime. Maybe you'll see that the advantages include things like providing driving directions, access to email from multiple locations, making phone calls. The sort of thing that gets you laid. I think asking people to page me would have a profound negative impact on my sex life. That's up to the user. You can sit in your ivory tower all day and night and think people are stupid, but in the end you've likely made 0 people give a fuck. I'm against surveillance, so I spoke at city council against DAC, I've taught at crypto parties and otherwise. I'm building up my chops to make more contributions to privacy software. I care about taking steps that people will actually follow. If I stood on the street corner telling people to delete their Facebook and throw out their smart phone no one will follow that advice. How about if the moon were suddenly made of cheese? RedPhone, SilentPhone. Mark Klein said this was happening in 2005 and apparently it was happening since February 2001. Again, it's really hard to get people to care, but I do. I've gotten dozens using these tools, how many cell phones have you got people to throw away? Cell phone detector + reciting likely trigger words. Cameras can be dealt with using adhesive bandages (they don't leave residue over the lens). Those aren't here yet and it's hard to tell what's fact and what's fiction in regards to the future of online tracking. There are loads of tools like privoxy, adblock, ghostery, Tor Browser Bundle and Tails available. Now get people using them. Adblock is the easiest sell possible, run this and the ads go away. It is important to keep our eyes to the future, but not to the extent that we should ignore what's going on today. What are you doing now about this stuff? What? Since when did this become libertarian-talk? Where does this principle come from? Is the converse true? Keyphrase: Allah (pbuh) airplane September 11th, sarin gas underwear bomb