19 Sep
2023
19 Sep
'23
2:09 p.m.
Jake, I know I haven't been present much in the room since the pandemic,
especially since the public computers that I maintained were sent to
/dev/null, removing one of the main reasons I visited the space. Having
had my truck ripped off last year doesn't help. But I've been following
this discussion on the lists and I really of the opinion that the
presence of CLP is harmful to the Omni. Not only do they seem like
sectarian Stalinists that are blocking tenants whose rent the Omni
desperately needs, but they seem to be deliberately misrepresenting the
history of the Omni and groups that are predominantly folks of color, in
particular, the Chiapas Support Committee, who seem to have moved on for
financial reasons and have not had a tendentious relationship with the
rest of Omni.
Has any group other than Bay Area Public School in 2019 when I was still
actively involved actually been removed from Omni? (FWIW, BAPS at that
point was basically two white folks, IIRC).
I'll join the turtles link tonight, though I might consider walking the
4+ miles with my newish houndlet Karl Marks and getting a ride home from
my firstie if people think a puppy's presence would be tolerated. He is
18 weeks old now and not completely evil.
http://www.ebiow.yasashi.net/Karl/Pictures/20230713_BoredOfLinux_medium.html
Is the Omni still all-masks? Though I am a member of a vulnerable
demographic (obese seniors) I am so fully vaccinated that I'm having
trouble distinguishing between the voices in my head telling me to
destroy America (Is that you, Dr. Fauci? Mr. Soros? Bill?) And I
honestly have enough trouble keeping my balance and breathing without a
mask fogging up my specs.
e
On 9/19/23 13:03, Jake via sudo-discuss wrote:
Just to bump this issue, the delegates are still
talking about it and
the one
group "CLP" are still trying to block TANC from moving in. The
delegates are
emailing about this to try to quell the confusion around this issue, so
now is
the time for Sudoroom (and all omni collectives) to meet and discuss it in
order to make sure that their delegate (me and/or Andy) can go forward into
the next delegates meeting (which might be sooner than normal) to
discuss it.
Can people make it to an in-person meeting on Wednesday night at
sudoroom? As
always there is the video link portal at this link, which connects you
to the
room over video and audio (try it anytime)
https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles
Previous meeting notes:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings#Meeting_Notes_Archive
Wednesday night meeting at 8? Or thoughts about the situation described
below.
To be clear, I think the question is going to come up of voting to
remove CLP
from Omni Commons, so we need to make it clear for our delegates what our
position is on that.
-jake
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Just to clarify, TANC has already been voted in
according to our bylaws:
https://omnicommons.org/pipermail/consensus/2023-September/004001.html
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 13:07 Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
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Just to clarify, TANC is Tenants and
Neighborhoods Councils. They're a
local tenants union who helps organize renters to form unions in and
between apartment buildings to challenge rent increase or otherwise push
back against property managers. I reached out to them last year when
I was
looking for advice in dealing with bad behavior by my property
manager, and
attended one of their meetings. I support their work.
https://baytanc.com
CLP is Community Liberation Programs:
https://www.communityliberationprograms.org/. I don't know much about
them, honestly. They organize programs around diverse socialist goals,
which sounds like something I'd completely support, but I think it's
misguided to block TANC from joining Omni, particularly on the charge
that
they're not outspoken enough about Palestine. I don't think they've
provided any evidence for the claim, and it's also creating a lot of
conflict within Omni that seems super unproductive.
Especially because *Omni is facing foreclosure at the end of the
year* if
we don't find a new lender. We need a strong financial base of
support from
member collectives in order to convince a credit union to loan us
money to
avoid losing the building. I don't want to pick a fight with CLP, but
the
consensus process is meant to encourage discussion and persuasion, and
blocks are supposed to be used for matters of urgent necessity.
Filibustering a new collective's joining or using a block because you
haven't been successful persuading others is not a good-faith use of the
consensus process, imo. Which is why I think Sudo should endorse a
proposal
to use the consensus-minus-one clause to proceed with inducting TANC
into
Omni.
Does anyone disagree? If so, can you please offer a counter proposal to
resolve this dispute. If there is no block on the motion, then I believe
whoever represents Sudo at the next Thursday Omni meeting will
register our
collective as being in support of the motion to disregard CLP's block on
TANC joining.
-Andy
<https://baytanc.com/>
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:44 PM Karissa McKelvey <krmckelv(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
There are a lot of acronyms here I have no idea
what's going on. but
this
is exactly why consensus-1 exists
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:56 PM Z Silver Zahn via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> I really thinks it’s inappropriate to ask an organization that Omni
> dosent have that much of a relationship to spend their energy
> looking into
> who TANC is , what omni decision making model is etc. I hope CLP
> steps up
> to these demands they imposed on PYM .
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:29 PM Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
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>> I strongly, strongly endorse Yar’s proposal, and while I’m trying to
>> take a break from Omni politics, I would be willing to make an
>> exception if
>> there’s anything I can do to help break this impasse.
>>
>> I am neutral on ejecting or suspending CLP. I’m happy to try and
>> resolve things with them if they’re willing, but I wouldn’t mind
>> seeing
>> them go if they continue to demonstrate a lack of consideration
>> for the
>> consensus process. Tanc’s approval has taken far too long, imo.
>>
>> It’s frankly shitty to spend so much time denigrating and
>> occupying the
>> limited resources of a group that helps renters stay in their homes.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:20 PM Muirén Ní Sídach via sudo-discuss <
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>>> I get the picture.
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