Re: [sudo-discuss] Getting violated and putting a stop to it.

I've taken this email off the sudo list and added Anthony and Eddan and Aestetix to it for reasons that will be obvious to them when they read this. Here's the cut-and-paste of Tracy's remark on this thread: "Sudoers, Why does our discussion list have to be published on the internet? I don't personally want it to be that public. Who decided it should be done that way, and is there another option? Tracy" So now there are TWO of us who DO NOT want our EMAIL to be fed to the GOOGLE. And YEAH there's another option, which is to NOT publish our stuff to the internet. That's what the fucking WIKI is for. Email by definition is not that. It was never disclosed to me, and I never gave consent, to EMAIL being published to GOOGLE. Email is not a blog, a wiki, or a website, any more than a conference call is a radio broadcast. How would you like it if you discovered that your telephone calls were being broadcast on the radio, eh? So let's be really clear about this: I feel VIOLATED by this in a most intimate and personal way. I was deceived by a failure to disclose a material fact. Had I been informed that this stuff was going to be published to the internet and made searchable by email address, I would have created a compartmentalized address specifically for this purpose, and used that address, not a personal address that I use for other purposes. I routinely compartmentalize things for security purposes, it takes only minor effort to do. INFORMED CONSENT IS A RIGHT, NOT A PRIVILEGE, and there is no getting out of it by way of fine print or any other such garbage. And being violated is not a joke. Ha ha ha, someone put LSD (or Roofies for that matter) in your soda, ha ha ha, the guy you slept with last night had every disease in the book but he didn't tell you, ha ha fucking ha, if you don't like salmonella don't eat the chicken at the barbeque, we all like salmonella what's wrong with you if you don't? Oh look, there's a VEGAN, let's slip him some LARD in his beans, ha ha ha. Sorry y'all, that's not funny, it doesn't wash, it doesn't rinse, and I'm fucking sick of spin. Holy fucking shit, I just pulled an allnighter for work, I'm about to try to get four hours' sleep and then go into San Francisco and move EFF's telephone service and about 50 phones, and THIS comes up. Believe me when I say this is way past my limit, and I am so fucking mad right now that you don't even want to hear the first three metaphors for it that come to mind. So do whatever it takes to disconnect this mailing list from Google, NOW, and put this on the meeting agenda for next Wednesday, and you'd better believe I'm going to raise a fucking stink that's going to make a den of skunks look like a bouquet of roses if this doesn't get done. This shit totally puts the lie to every ounce of anarchist rhetoric I've ever heard around here. -G. ===== On 13-04-11-Thu 9:42 AM, Romy Ilano wrote: > In this case what are the practical solutions for your / non privacy? > > I'm curious. There is a lot of character assassination going on

> > I wouldn't say it happened to me but maybe! > > --- > > Romy Ilano > Founder of Snowyla > http://www.snowyla.com > romy(a)snowyla.com > > On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:24, Anon195714 <anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Oh Fuck. >> >> Fucking fuckity fuck. >> >> Fucking surveillance monster on the rampage. >> >> OK, time for me to change my fucking email address on the server, and >> say Fuck a few more times just to get it out of my system. >> >> Thanks for the heads' up. >> >> Anyone here who believes in a deity is welcome to join me in praying

>> Google's servers to melt into little puddles of colorful metallic >> swirls, seething & bubbling on their server room floor. >> >> One more thing: Putting this list on the fucking Google was NON >> CONSENSUAL and YES I am going to bring it up at a meeting, and if >> there's any way to scrub my stuff off there, it's going to get done. >> >> -G. >> >> >> ===== >> >> >> On 13-04-11-Thu 9:18 AM, Hol Gaskill wrote: >>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=anon195714 >>> >>> >>> Apr 11, 2013 07:57:08 AM, lizhenry(a)gmail.com wrote: >>> Sorry Romy that I sounded harsh and unclear. I'd be happy to talk

>>> Anon195714, it is a public mailing list and its archives are public. >>>> See http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss and click on

>>>> >>>> - liz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Anon195714

>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> How is it that this EMAIL list is "Googleable"? >>> >>> Is this being posted to a website or something else that has a URL >>> on it? >>> >>> Or has Google figured out a way to spy on email beyond what it >>> already does with gmail? >>> >>> Sheesh. >>> >>> -G. >>> "Consume! Obey!" >>> "Big Data is Watching You." >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13-04-10-Wed 12:51 PM, Liz Henry >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> What are you >>> talking about? This sounds completely, completely bizarre to >>> me. >>> >>> I can't remember if you and I have met, but I hope that if we >>> do meet, you won't approach me as a family member. Why are

>>> quasi-introducing this person to an entire public mailing >>> list? With these caveats? It seems not only weird, but >>> outright rude, both to Orange and to the sudo community. >>> >>> Also, are you aware this is a public mailing list, perfectly >>> visible and googleable? >>> >>> >>> Really.... >>> whoever you are you just showed your ass. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Romy >>> Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey here is one of the film events that >>> Michael Orange from top 10 social is presenting. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>

>>> >>> >>> Michael's also working with the Oakland Library as >>> well,so I'll mention the history wki people from >>> sudoroom are there! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> this probably isn't necessary for anyone here... >>> but in case one or two people gets the temptation: >>> >>> >>> -- Michael Orange is an all around good guy--please >>> treat him well, minimize over the top business plans, >>> "industry type behavior", and approach him as you >>> would a family member. If we talk to him the wrong