19 Sep
2023
19 Sep
'23
6:47 p.m.
As Jake said, Omni has to make some decisions, and this only works if we
get engagement.
If you're confused or overwhelmed, feel free to say so. Message either of
us privately. Come in in person and talk it out. But Sudo and Omni can't
function and do what we're here to do is people don't participate. Thanks
everyone!
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 1:04 PM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Just to bump this issue, the delegates are still
talking about it and the
one
group "CLP" are still trying to block TANC from moving in. The delegates
are
emailing about this to try to quell the confusion around this issue, so
now is
the time for Sudoroom (and all omni collectives) to meet and discuss it in
order to make sure that their delegate (me and/or Andy) can go forward into
the next delegates meeting (which might be sooner than normal) to discuss
it.
Can people make it to an in-person meeting on Wednesday night at
sudoroom? As
always there is the video link portal at this link, which connects you to
the
room over video and audio (try it anytime)
https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles
Previous meeting notes:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings#Meeting_Notes_Archive
Wednesday night meeting at 8? Or thoughts about the situation described
below.
To be clear, I think the question is going to come up of voting to remove
CLP
from Omni Commons, so we need to make it clear for our delegates what our
position is on that.
-jake
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
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Just to clarify, TANC has already been voted in
according to our bylaws:
https://omnicommons.org/pipermail/consensus/2023-September/004001.html
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 13:07 Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> Just to clarify, TANC is Tenants and Neighborhoods Councils. They're a
> local tenants union who helps organize renters to form unions in and
> between apartment buildings to challenge rent increase or otherwise push
> back against property managers. I reached out to them last year when I
was
> looking for advice in dealing with bad
behavior by my property manager,
and
> attended one of their meetings. I support
their work.
https://baytanc.com
>
> CLP is Community Liberation Programs:
> https://www.communityliberationprograms.org/. I don't know much about
> them, honestly. They organize programs around diverse socialist goals,
> which sounds like something I'd completely support, but I think it's
> misguided to block TANC from joining Omni, particularly on the charge
that
> they're not outspoken enough about
Palestine. I don't think they've
> provided any evidence for the claim, and it's also creating a lot of
> conflict within Omni that seems super unproductive.
>
> Especially because *Omni is facing foreclosure at the end of the year*
if
> we don't find a new lender. We need a
strong financial base of support
from
> member collectives in order to convince a
credit union to loan us money
to
> avoid losing the building. I don't want
to pick a fight with CLP, but
the
> consensus process is meant to encourage
discussion and persuasion, and
> blocks are supposed to be used for matters of urgent necessity.
> Filibustering a new collective's joining or using a block because you
> haven't been successful persuading others is not a good-faith use of the
> consensus process, imo. Which is why I think Sudo should endorse a
proposal
> to use the consensus-minus-one clause to
proceed with inducting TANC
into
> Omni.
>
> Does anyone disagree? If so, can you please offer a counter proposal to
> resolve this dispute. If there is no block on the motion, then I believe
> whoever represents Sudo at the next Thursday Omni meeting will register
our
> collective as being in support of the motion
to disregard CLP's block on
> TANC joining.
>
> -Andy
>
>
> <https://baytanc.com/>
> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:44 PM Karissa McKelvey <krmckelv(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There are a lot of acronyms here I have no idea what's going on. but
this
>> is exactly why consensus-1 exists
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:56 PM Z Silver Zahn via sudo-discuss <
>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I really thinks it’s inappropriate to ask an organization that Omni
>>> dosent have that much of a relationship to spend their energy looking
into
>>> who TANC is , what omni decision
making model is etc. I hope CLP
steps up
>>> to these demands they imposed on PYM
.
>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:29 PM Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I strongly, strongly endorse Yar’s proposal, and while I’m trying to
>>>> take a break from Omni politics, I would be willing to make an
exception if
>>>> there’s anything I can do to help
break this impasse.
>>>>
>>>> I am neutral on ejecting or suspending CLP. I’m happy to try and
>>>> resolve things with them if they’re willing, but I wouldn’t mind
seeing
>>>> them go if they continue to
demonstrate a lack of consideration for
the
>>>> consensus process. Tanc’s
approval has taken far too long, imo.
>>>>
>>>> It’s frankly shitty to spend so much time denigrating and occupying
the
>>>> limited resources of a group that
helps renters stay in their homes.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:20 PM Muirén Ní Sídach via sudo-discuss <
>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I get the picture.
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