12 Apr
2013
12 Apr
'13
7:51 p.m.
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Seems like a fine time to mention a project I've been involved in for
a few years: http://www.openamd.org/
It's a real time location tracking social networking system that we
created in part to explore some of those questions. :)
On 4/12/13 5:58 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
Given the physical geographic constraints in a
hyperlocal context,
couldn't we issue public keys for a persistent identity at Sudo
Room authenticated by an in-person registration. Isn't this what a
Cryptoparty is about, basically?
By organizing a concentrated initiative available at convenient
times and with sufficient guidance to make it accessible by the
Sudo Room community and the general public, it could be the
foundation for lots of things. Here's a few I've been recently
thinking about:
- Voting. a unique authenticated online identity for the purpose
of voting remotely in a variety of collective decision-making
contexts. - Privacy. a persistent pseudonymous identity throughout
Sudo Room. - Recommendations. confirmed authenticity of an actual
human being related to comments and publicly made comments -
Safety. the use of dangerous and complex tools that require
significant instruction could be restricted only to authorized
users. - Payment. financial transactions from peer Sudo member to
peer Sudo member in addition to membership dues payment and
dividend collection from Sudo Fund - Cash. anonymous financial
transactions with some kind of Sudo bit-coin
On Apr 11, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel(a)xtreme.com
<mailto:rachel@xtreme.com>> wrote:
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Quick note, it is probably better to say the IRC
channel is not
KNOWN to be logged. Tons of people log IRC privately for later
perusal or other reasons, and there's no way for any other IRC
user to know if an inactive user is a logging bot. In fact, I
know plenty of people who interact with IRC through a logging
system of some kind, so the difference between a human user and a
logger isn't even distinct.
Someone's comment of, if you want it to be private, don't put it
on the Internet, is reasonable. Even email goes through any
number of servers on its way to its intended recipient, and you
have no idea which of these is keeping copies. Unless you are
rigorous about using encryption, *and* really know what you're
doing (I don't, that shit's hard), expect any electronic
communication you make to be possibly readable by some entity you
don't know about, including governments, your ISP's help staff,
hackers, grad students, botnet operators, your mom (she doesn't
mean to snoop but you never TELL her anything).
Of course, even Google is gonna have an extraordinarily hard
time identifying, finding and collating it all; I do not want to
sound too alarmist here. The needle/haystack issue, which any
attempt to track an individual will run into, is also a *really*
difficult one.
Rachel M
On 4/11/13 3:36 PM, Paul Ivanov wrote:
Hey everyone,
Jenny Ryan, on 2013-04-11 14:57, wrote:
Rabbit: the IRC channel is not logged and never
has been
I think this is missing the point. Just because you don't know
of a bot logging the IRC channel, it does not mean it isn't
being logged.
The same goes for an email list you're on: regardless of
"official" policy, *any* subscriber to the list can archive
*all* of the conversations on it.
I'm sympathetic to stripping email addresses, but not to
removing postings themselves. Given the minimum barrier for
joining the list, and that 'nym rights' is part of this
thread's title, anyone is welcome to create (and possibly
share) an email account, resender, or proxy intended for
anonymity.
If we want to stay inclusive, and allow anyone to join the
list, then we *have* to assume that anything sent to the list
is public (because there's no filtering for who gets to be on
the list, and no protection for what they might do with that
information after they get it).
best, -- Paul Ivanov http://pirsquared.org
<http://pirsquared.org/> | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7 On 4/11/13 2:57 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
> Great discussion this has started. Anon195714, my apologies
> for getting defensive and blaming you for not being aware.
>
> The default Mailman messages are indeed unclear. I need to
> focus on prior commitments today, but I encourage folks to
> suggest rewordings themselves: http://lists.sudoroom.org.
> Same goes for scrubbing email addresses and creating a
> robots.txt file. If anyone would like to volunteer to hack on
> this, I volunteer as a point of contact for server access and
> implementation.
>
> Rabbit: the IRC channel is not logged and never has been,
> although we have discussed a bot that would bookmark / record
> a point in the conversation with another user's prompt.
>
>
>
> Jenny http://jennyryan.net <http://jennyryan.net/>
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> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
> <http://thevirtualcampfire.org/>
> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
> <http://technomadic.tumblr.com/>
>
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