25 May
2013
25 May
'13
10:27 a.m.
perhaps it would attract more people if there were an ability to keep
things in lockers. what might make the most sense - both in terms of
maintaining our non-hierarchical values and support our long-term
financial stability - is to rent out another room in the building to
use to keep storage items in.
It would also turn out to be less expensive to the people renting the
lockers - when you break it down to how much rent can cost in one of
these rooms splitting it amongst several people. i offer a room i am
renting for storage in the mezzanine level which is secure with tons
of space for storage. but the mezzanine floor requires another key
which may be too complicated. If we could make it economically
feasible (probably only takes 6-8 people), it would be ideal to get
the other room next to the Public School and install lockers there as
well as opening up other potential services that can be offered.
And new people would still have that feeling when they come into Sudo
Room that it is as open and welcoming to them as it was to everyone
before them and that they enjoy the same level of opportunity for
participation.
On May 22, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Hol Gaskill wrote:
i'm just going to regurgitate my suggestion that
lockers/cubbies for
secure storage be made available to members who regularly pay the
suggested donation or more. That gives an incentive beyond access;
though it reduces access to a small portion of the space for
everyone else, it's quite likely that there are some projects being
stored in the communal space now (which is everything but the
cubbies which are default DNH, right?) that would be moved to
cubbies, as well as a number of projects and materials that are
taking up space and aren't being supported by their creators, dues
aside. So to the point, I think given the amount of space that is
already not available for use by everyone, it is totally worthwhile
to set aside a bit of space if it means offering the carrot or vegan
donut that gets people signed up to fiscally ensure the continued
existence of sudoroom in its entirety. A donors page would be a
good carrot too! I think the credit thing was discussed as a
dividend which could be allocated to different projects if there was
a surplus (net) on a given month which wound up being a discussion
that can be put off until we fill up our standing funds, but i think
credits on gross contributions have not been discussed at any length.
cheers,
hol
May 22, 2013 01:56:53 PM, somniac(a)me.com wrote:
Thanks Marina!
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I'm glad this is already being thought about.
I personally think
access should be linked to membership because access is easily the
single most powerful thing we have to offer/revoke, and if we're
talking about regulating anything, it should be initial, door-
opening access. Guests can always use the buzzer, but even the
landlord requires we have some barrier to first entry.
If these aren't tied together, I would expect it to be tied to a
counter-proposal suggesting a tiered membership system, with
"gatekeepers" being separate from normal "members". I think this
is reasonable too, but doesn't dodge the question of how these
statuses are granted.
-Dan
On May 22, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Marina Kukso marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
thanks dan! i believe that we will be discussing this extensively
at the meeting tonight, so thanks for sharing! also, this may be
something that we should work on during this sunday's "hack the
room" hackathon.
also, we are still running a straw poll about
membership and access
here:
;https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zCaEAVVjLwMrWcoPlGb09-G6bvaaiewi33FTz3OBptE/viewform
. I hope to go over the results tonight.
- marina
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Daniel Finlay somniac(a)me.com> wrote:
door.sudoroom.org looks great, but what's the
password?
The answer certainly relates directly to the
"who is a member?"
question, as well as what special privileges membership entails.
I know I've not been a very active participant in these
discussions, so forgive me if I am treading on a well-worn path,
but it seems like we need some brainstorming on this issue, so
here's my first knee-jerk concept.
First of all, coming from an access perspective
let me just lay out:
Membership benefits (minimum): 1. The knowledge of the door code.
2. A vote when
revoking membership status.
The next obvious question is how membership is
granted. I feel the
current Articles of Association are slightly ambiguous here,
because they do not specify whether BOTH criteria are required
(paying dues and good standing), or EITHER:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/
Articles_of_Association#Section_2.1_Qualifications_for_Membership
This is a touchy subject, especially because
there is a good deal
of "what is money?" and "alternative currencies!" enthusiasm around
the space, while we still pay our rent in USD. I will now lay out
a doubtlessly controversial, half devil's-advocate, probably
flawed, but I hope at least novel system for distributing
membership beyond fiscal donation alone.
Here is "SudoCredit Proposal 0.0.1":
A system of Sudo-Room Credit. Sudo Credit is initially tied
directly to dollars donated to Sudo Room, ie, a member who has paid
$60 a month for 10 months has some factor of 600 sudo credits.
In addition to buying sudo credits from sudo
room, a person can
earn sudo credits by hosting workshops, donating goods, basically
anything that gets people with sudo credits to award some of their
credits to that person.
People with large contributions to sudoroom (ie
lots of sudo
credit) would have the option of being deified with pictures
proportional to their credit on a donors page of the sudo site,
linking to their member page.
Since this leads to an inflationary economy, we
may want some kind
of sudo-credit re-uptake. Maybe pay credits to open the door, or
something else.
I know we have some currency geeks in here, I'm curious what people
would think of having an alternative currency to help distribute
membership opportunity, while clarifying membership requirements.
Just some thoughts, since access & membership
seem like muddy
concepts that need clarification. I know there will be some
resistance simply because it's so tightly tied to financial
donation, but at the very least I hope those people will admit it's
more egalitarian than a purely fiscally derived membership system.
-Dan
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