12 Jan
2015
12 Jan
'15
4:49 p.m.
What is most problematic for me is that there is so little
daylight here. Elliot's name is used but all the references to
repeated violence are a mystery to me. Will the Mediator
and Steward process make important information available?
I fully support Sudo and all members right to be safe in our space
yet without more daylight in this matter than I have experienced in
others at the Omni it feels like a comrade will just disappear.
joe
On Jan 12, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Eske Silver wrote:
I agree that both/all side must be heard.
I also agree that first, the community and witnesses must be on the same page about the
*facts* of incidents, without pressure on witnesses, but in way that doesn't promote a
closed bias. At one house I was involved ith, a list would be made, at the meeting
withouth the individual, then each issue/incident was addressed with the individual
present, so that each and every issue/incident was available for
discussion/explanation/etc.
We do already (or damn oughta) have precident for these interactions...
~ Korl
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On Jan 12, 2015 3:19 PM, "Ryan" <yandoryn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree. (With very little stake in this specific discussion, but in these kinds of
discussions in general.)
I think that it is impossible to first discuss someone's violent behavior with them
present. Many people may feel too intimidated to speak up, if the perpetrator of violence
is present. Because of this, it is not "fair and just" to have the person
accused of violence present at all discussions.
After a discussion (to which the person accused of violence is not present) has been
facilitated, it is more possible to facilitate a discussion with them present, in order to
get "both sides."
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:06 PM, joseph liesner <blue393(a)lmi.net> wrote:
I think it is imperative that when Sudo has a meeting to
discuss and/or vote on Matt's proposal that such a meeting
be open o the public, at a convenient time and day, and
that Elliot and witnesses to his violent behavior be present.
Otherwise I would be unable to know if our policies are
fair and just.
joe
On Jan 12, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:
While I wasn't there for this latest
instance, this is the second time in our new location (I was present the first time) and
at least the fourth instance related to sudo room, of Elliot escalating a situation to a
physical, even violent, response on his part.
I am no longer willing to tolerate this behavior and continue to risk all the love, care,
and work that goes into making all of omni commons, and each collective, a thriving and
safer community and space.
In sum, it seems evident that Elliot's continued involvement in omni commons is
already a greater cost, and even greater potential risk, than a revocation of his
privilege to use the space.
I propose sudo room in particular revoke Elliot's non-member privilege to access the
sudo room, and therefore the omni commons, until Elliot can provide the sudo room
membership with tangible evidence of a new investment in the prevention of physical
violence and marked improvement of his own behavior in this regard.
// Matt
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