9 May
2013
9 May
'13
11:50 a.m.
That is an interesting interpretation and I can totally dig it. Though i'm
only using these terms as pure honest speech and not as tools for passive
oppression.
What I am trying to communicate is that I believe one's own philosophy or
elements thereof should be options that an observer adopts freely because
of a natural attraction, not through persuasive tactics.
Though it may also be said that I'm trying to persuade by not trying to
persuade... ;)
Alcides Gutierrez
http://e64.us
On May 9, 2013 11:31 AM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01(a)att.net>
wrote:
YOs-
Here's another one for "lawn," that I frequently use:
"high-maintenance
non-food crop."
And two I use that aren't exactly popular around here, but none the less:
smartphone: "personal surveillance device."
Google and Gmail: "surveillance feed" or "SIGINT collector."
Though, I'd differ about "persuade" vs. "allow." Persuasion
respects
another person's right to not be persuaded and say No, and very often we
do try to persuade each other of various things, while also respecting
each others' rights to be not-persuaded. Contrast to coercion,
imposition, and so on. "Allow" carries an echo of "not-allow," which
is
different to "not-persuade," in that not-persuading someone of something
allows their disagreement to stand, but not-allowing something doesn't.
Also it might also be used in an approximately Orwellian way along the
lines of "I allowed so-and-so to agree with me, but s/he wouldn't, so
s/he's obviously stuck in his/her ways..."
More later, gotta scoot...
-G.
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On 13-05-09-Thu 11:09 AM, Hol Gaskill wrote:
Romy, Yos-
Good example. Also an example of what happens when power is wielded
without checks & balances, by people who are so enamored of a
theory that it obscures the real world.
The Khmer Rough also routinely slaughtered or interned &
tortured anyone found wearing glasses, because they believed that
glasses were a sign of an attempt to assert status by the
intellectual and technical classes. But the fact is that by middle
age, almost all men and probably at least a majority of women
require the use of glasses to read and perform other short-distance
visual tasks. That inconvenient fact didn't get in the way of the
Khmer Rouge's theory.
Everyone reading this email is a member of the "intellectual and
technical class," even if a large plurality of us are living on
working class income or less. And the vast majority of us are going
to live long enough to need glasses. Fortunately none of us has the
power to compel any of us to use words a certain way, even though we
can & do argue (as peers) about that.
-G.
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On 13-05-08-Wed 10:21 PM, Romy Ilano
wrote:
There is a yin and a yang to everything.
Here are a few examples of the "dark side" of
reshaping language...
I've read a lot of history about the Chinese Cultural
Revolution and the Cambodian Khmer Rouge... these groups
were very interested in reforming a corrupt society, finding
new ways of doing things. They are not shining examples but
I can say that their intentions started out pure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_rule_of_Cambodia#Establishing_the_…
right on. the free flow of information these
days is really helping
with this process. people are documenting and sharing so
much - an
incalculable volume of garbage but also a huge volume of really good info
and ideas that people are freely adopting - as long as people exercise a
little bit of critical thinking before adopting and/or reposting to the
hive, the collective filter mechanism to reject dishonest language and
harmful behaviors from their cultural sphere of influence and promote the
positive is getting stronger on the daily.
cheers
May 9, 2013 04:17:23 AM, alcides888(a)gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to re-enter "allow" vs. the "persuade." I believe
philosophies
should not be forced upon people. Instead, I think its more awesome
to
invite someone into your home and see how you live vs. urging lifestyles
onto others. Your guests can adopt what they want. This may increase the
chance of failure, but may also increase the chance of free will for
whatever audience. I believe thats a good thing.
I dont think working to change language, protocols, or social structures
is a bad
idea -IF- the developers are mindful to 'allow' people to adopt
what they want and not 'persuade' people to follow their lead.
Alcides Gutierrez
http://e64.us
On May 9, 2013 12:52 AM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" g2g-public01(a)att.net>
wrote:
On
the surface, society in Democratic Kampuchea was strictly
egalitarian.
The Khmer
language, like many in Southeast Asia, has a complex
system of usages to define speakers' rank and social
status. These usages were abandoned. People were
encouraged to call each other "friend", or "comrade"
(in
Khmer, មិត្ដ mitt), and to avoid traditional signs of
deference such as bowing or folding the hands in
salutation.
Language
was transformed in other ways. The Khmer Rouge invented
new terms. People were told they must "forge" (lot dam)
a new revolutionary character, that they were the
"instruments" (opokar) of the Angkar, and that
nostalgia for pre-revolutionary times (chheu satek arom,
or "memory sickness") could result in their receiving
Angkar's "invitation" to be deindustrialised and to live
in a concentration camp.
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