28 Feb
2013
28 Feb
'13
1:41 p.m.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/oakland-mayor-apologizes-for-pro…
--
Cyrus Farivar
"suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"
Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com)
Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com
(http://internetofelsewhere.com)
US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar
"Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet."
cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org)
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote:
Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org)
You can reach the person managing the list at
sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org)
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211 (Cyrus Farivar)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:16:44 -0800
From: Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>
To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211
Message-ID: <058F1A7272C64F069631C24D0A06989C(a)gmail.com
(mailto:058F1A7272C64F069631C24D0A06989C@gmail.com)>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Matt, can I quote you in the piece?
--
Cyrus Farivar
"suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"
Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com)
Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com
(http://internetofelsewhere.com)
US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar
"Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet."
cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org)
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote:
> Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to
> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org)
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org)
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 (J.D. Zamfirescu)
> 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Matthew D. Howell)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:12:42 -0800
> From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire(a)gmail.com
(mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)>
> To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208
> Message-ID:
> <CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A(a)mail.gmail.com
(mailto:CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A@mail.gmail.com)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Agreed with Matt. As TOOOL says, understanding how locks work (and what
> their vulnerabilities are) helps everyone make smarter decisions about
> physical security.
>
> Might be worth mentioning that very few burglaries involve picked locks;
> it's too easy to throw a brick through a window instead.
>
> Also, for the record, the workshop is full at 20 participants.
>
> J.D.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com
(mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote:
>
> > Hey Cyrus,
> >
> > I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will
> > help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that,
> > for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of
> > security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security /
> > hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I
> > was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I
> > bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a
> > 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an
> > aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to
> > the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just
> > pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put
> > things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I
> > would put things I didn't want to easily walk away.
> >
> > That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe
> > ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in
> > Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that
> > happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups
> > http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions
> > http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing
> > http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the
> > environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar
> > http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art
> > Murmur.
> >
> > // Matt
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com
(mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>wrote:
> >
> > > FWIW?I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on
> > > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking
has
> > > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can
> > > include/add it.
> > >
> > > -C
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cyrus Farivar
> > > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"
> > >
> > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com
(http://cyrusfarivar.com)
> > > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com
(http://internetofelsewhere.com)
> > > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar
> > > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the
> > > Internet."
> > > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org)
> > >
> > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM,
> > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote:
> > >
> > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to
> > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > >
> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > >
> > > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > >
> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..."
> > >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> > > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)
> > > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> > > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak)
> > > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800
> > > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)>
> > > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
> > > Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net
(mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
Format="flowed"
> > >
> > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that
> > > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog
> > > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of
> > > Jean Quan to not even look into it.
> > >
> > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the
> > > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge.
> > > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why
you'd
> > > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of
> > > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to
> > > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are
> > > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify
> > > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach
> > > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by
> > > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes.
> > >
> > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles
> > > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about
> > > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little
> > > more fair and balanced reporting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:
> > >
> > > more:
> > >
> > >
> > >
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q…
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com
(mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)
> > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com <mattsenate(a)gmail.com
(mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's awesome, free press!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren
> > > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com
<mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren@gmail.com
(mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com)>>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of
> > > "journalism" I have ever seen.
> > >
> > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
> > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is
> > > just a cheaper version of that? (see:
> > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
> > >
> > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled
> > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time.
> > >
> > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go
> > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about
> > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling".
> > >
> > > -Rusty
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu
> > > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com
<anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that
> > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend.
> > >
> > >
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
> > >
> > > Here is Oakland Local's response:
> > >
> > >
> > >
http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning…
> > >
> > > Anca
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -=-=-=-
> > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com
<anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>
> > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660>
> > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F:
> > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > >
<mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Rusty Lindgren
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > >
<mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > >
<mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
(mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > >
> > >
> > >