31 Jan
2014
31 Jan
'14
7:18 p.m.
Well in the middle of all these hacker academies I've seen a lot of people
propose that these quickie vocational schools replace a university
education altogether.
I think this gels with people who believe that you go to university in
order to get a good job, not necessarily for an education.
Here's an article from Mother Jones on how for-profit universities can rip
students off:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/for-profit-college-student-debt
So suppose one of these technical schools that you see advertising on late
night television start offering their own "code schools" copying the
generally excellent hacker academies... and promising six figure salaries?
I saw a case where a law student sued her law school because she couldn't
find a job after graduation.
- Would this regulation body be able to protect these hacker schools
from getting sued by students who didn't find jobs?
- I think it's very difficult to scale in a VC disruption kind of way
these hacker academies. You have to be very selective about the applicant
pool. You can't get people who are only going into programming because they
want to make money--they have to be truly passionate about it to justify
such short study times matched against real world jobs.
- I'm sure someone will prove me wrong.
- Automating and industrializing education is sort of creepy.
Sometimes I get very alienated from discussions on the value of a
university education that I see on the web. I feel as if people only want
to go to school so that they can earn big salaries. There seems to be very
little value in getting an education in and of itself.
Maybe it was always this way?
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Romy Ilano
romy(a)snowyla.com
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
industrialization of education - obscuring the
intrinsic value of
knowledge and showing the way forward so that the technicians will know
which direction to pull the carts
Jan 31, 2014 07:54:22 AM, romy(a)snowyla.com wrote:
FYI: I know a lot of the people running the hacker schools and who have
graduated from them. I think most of these schools are legit, but I'm
wondering if that is because it is due to the location (SF Bay Area) and
the very high talent pool here.
>I'm spooked by people who would
advocate replacing an education with
vocational bootcamps. I don't see these bootcamps competing with computer
science departments at universities.
>>>>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:22:50 -0800
From: Pete Forsyth
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To: GtwoG PublicOhOne
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Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] "learn to
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I think Sudo Room has a stake in the
existence of effective hacker-training
programs, regardless of whether they are
offered *by* Sudo Room. So, thanks
Hol for posting the link.
I agree with GtwoG that there is some
possibility for abuse; but neither
the article nor the agency's web site
offer a concise presentation of what
it means to "be in compliance".
Is the agency throwing up regulations that
will deter good work? It's hard to
tell!
I posted this to a couple email lists in
the Wikipedia space, so check out
these discussions too if interested:
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http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-January/thread.html
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http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-sf/2014-January/thread.html
-Pete
peteforsyth.com
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None of these bootcamps claims to replace a
university education, they
are offering a very different thing.
I can see a lot of potential abuse occurring as
well:
1997 New Yorker article on the University of Phoneix, a for-profit
institution:
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1997/10/20/1997_10_20_114_TNY_CARDS_000379…