* Thank you for keeping us posted.

The sudo-discuss list has been used as a forum for airing private disputes and requests to ban members for years. To ensure a productive and professional environment, messages involving private disputes or safe-space ban requests should be flagged and placed in a moderation queue for review by the appropriate people, rather than being sent out to the entire list. On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 7:21 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: > Hi Ashley, > > This was shared to the Sudo room delegate and some other members but not > the whole list. This list is public to anyone on the internet (even non > subscribers) so I don't think we should continue talking about this here to > respect Sierk's privacy. > > We haven't talked about this in sudoroom yet, but I think we should > create a private member email list to talk about things like this. > > > Paige > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 4:07 PM Ashley T via sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: > >> I am checking if the Sudo Room received info about a member being banned >> from Omni Commons. >> >> Sierk was banned by a Food Not Bombs member yesterday and the ban went >> into effect immediately for the whole Omni building. >> >> >> Highlighted information of Sierk being banned by FNB member: >> >> "Sierk - I think not making Omni your home and being open to receiving >> >> proper medic care will help you.* >> *- It would be better if you don't repeat the dishonesty in your response >> to volunteers so they can better help you.**- Please remove all your belongings and yourself from the building.* *You >> are no longer welcome in the space due to the numerous concerns mentioned.**- Currently there are no mediations nor restorative justice planned (from >> me anyway) since it may be too late, we didn't prioritize the incidents >> when it first occurred.* >> *-If you can, do some reflecting and reach out to whoever you feel >> comfortable speaking with.*" >> >> [ebfnb] Sierk update*Toan Nguyen* guqinone at gmail.com >> <ebfnb%40lists.omnicommons.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Bebfnb%5D%20Sierk%20update&In-Reply-To=%3CCAA4J92ukFQdtb-fSgt3xq%3D8d%3D-3HGn4R1DrViZmxaOgdBR11Hw%40mail.gmail.com%3E> >> *Mon Sep 9 06:35:43 PDT 2024* >> >> >> - Previous message (by thread): [ebfnb] Fwd: Homeless Anthology >> <https://omnicommons.org/lists/private/ebfnb/2024-September/007857.html> >> - Next message (by thread): [ebfnb] Sierk update >> <https://omnicommons.org/lists/private/ebfnb/2024-September/007861.html> >> - *Messages sorted by:* [ date ] >> <https://omnicommons.org/lists/private/ebfnb/2024-September/date.html#7858> >> [ thread ] >> <https://omnicommons.org/lists/private/ebfnb/2024-September/thread.html#7858> >> [ subject ] >> <https://omnicommons.org/lists/private/ebfnb/2024-September/subject.html#7858> >> [ author ] >> <https://omnicommons.org/lists/private/ebfnb/2024-September/author.html#7858> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Hi all, >> >> *I have concerns on Sierk volunteering within EBFNB.* >> *I think the concerns are serious enough that Sierk no longer be part of >> East Bay Food Not Bombs and Omni for the time being.* >> >> *EB PREC / CALLI will have issues with Sierk inhabiting the building.* >> *The lax atmosphere at Omni enables individuals taking advantage...* >> >> *...Sierk's disregard and disrespect of the communal spaces around Omni is >> an ongoing problem for years. We have been following up and the results >> were more negative and dishonesty from him.* >> >> *Below are updates and concerns:* >> >> - On Tuesday August 20th, the Tuesday and Friday WFM (Bay & Harrison >> Oakland) pick up crew agreed to stop donations going to Omni's food >> giveaway on Tuesday / Friday that Sierk coordinated. >> >> - On Thursday September 5th, I have asked Sierk to stop handling EBFNB >> donations and he agreed. >> >> - I'm also asking Sierk to stop welcoming people who are not a part of Omni >> to go in our fridge downstairs and help themselves on their own. I found >> out on Friday (Sept. 6) after two people were seen doing that and they told >> me Sierk gave them permission. >> There was no communication from Sierk to any EBFNB volunteers or Omni >> members. >> (My leniency reached its limit from this) >> >> *The concerns are:* >> >> *- Food handling from Sierk are unkempt, unsanitary, unhygienic body and >> foul body odor.* >> >> *- Sierk never proposed the food giveaway event (on Tues / Fri) to neither >> Omni or EBFNB for a discussion and approval.* *Despite several request and >> suggestions to do so.* >> >> *- Non communicative and irresponsible and disrespectful with food >> donations and usage of EBFNB spaces and in other areas at Omni.* >> *Recently there were hundreds of pounds of food (grains stored in the >> kitchen) that had to be discarded that he accepted and not taking >> responsibility for it. Leaving it out that attracted rats, and volunteers >> to deal with.* >> *Smelly soiled clothing of his were found in the corners of the kitchen.* >> *This was addressed to him and he disregarded it.* >> >> *- Inappropriate and erratic behaviors towards volunteers.* >> *Includes talking down to and shouting at people.* >> *There's a video footage (taken by an Omni member) of Sierk shouting at a >> new EBFNB volunteer. She disengaged and walked away.* >> *His angry behavior is a pattern towards volunteers including myself last >> Thursday the 29th.* >> >> *- M**ade decisions that risks the building and people in it to harm. >> Includes allowing known problematic persons in (that are not members of any >> groups at Omni).* >> >> *- Disregard multiple requests to not sleep inside Omni, not cleaning up >> after usage of space.* >> *Sierk sleeps in Omni sitting up on his desk area and when approached he >> says he is working (non Omni or collectives related) on his laptop late >> into the night or all nighters. His leg is swelling up as a suspected >> result of habitual sleeping while sitting up.* >> >> *- Rejected several offers from different people to assist in getting >> proper medical care. Have been self diagnosing his body as a "medical >> condition" and using it as a reason for behavior.* >> >> *- P**rior violent verbal interactions at volunteers. Was never held >> accountable or acknowledged wrong doings and tried to justify his actions >> (and believable to some volunteers...)* >> *This preventable harm resulted in several upset volunteers that are afraid >> and hurt to quit EBFNB and not going to Omni specifically to avoid him.* >> >> *This is not an exhaustive list and there are proof for all the concerns >> and claims.* >> >> *The concerns has negatively affected collectives and the spaces in the >> building; Liberated Lens, Sacred Maker Arts Collective, individuals at >> Omni, and volunteers within EBFNB.* >> *The organizations, individuals, and volunteers has put in their numerous >> complaints and it was addressed without a sustained helpful solution, >> acknowledgement, or accountability from EBFNB.* >> >> *I foresee new complaints to us from the new entity that will soon manage / >> be responsible to the building begining this week.* >> *On Friday they discovered another person who appears to be sleeping in a >> part of the building:* >> *" *He said he was not sleeping there, and would be leaving at 6pm after >> doing some sewing. I hope my concern is unfounded, but it definitely looked >> like he might be staying there. When I asked what collective he was a part >> of he said he was with CC. There were also some cats with him. >> >> Since CALLI doesn’t own the property yet I can’t really take any action. I >> am hopeful he does leave by 6pm today, but wanted to alert you delegates >> since until Monday or Tuesday you are still responsible for the building. I >> would appreciate if you could make your best non-violent efforts to ensure >> that space is vacant by the time CALLI does take ownership and >> responsibility for the space. *"* >> >> The person mentioned above is not Sierk. I'm sharing this to share a sense >> of how the building will be managed. >> >> I have been patiently following up throughout the years and was >> unsuccessful in my attempts to remedy the situation. >> There are others that have been trying to help without success. We had a >> help Sierk committee that was created this mid year that included several >> of us: Ron, Helen, Joe, Judith and I. >> I have not shared updates to this email list since a couple of volunteers >> (Judith, Ron) requested I don't do that or even mention his name. Our >> attempts to support failed and we need to update / reach out to the larger >> group. >> >> *Sierk - I think not making Omni your home and being open to receiving >> proper medic care will help you.* >> *- It would be better if you don't repeat the dishonesty in your response >> to volunteers so they can better help you.* >> *- Please remove all your belongings and yourself from the building.* *You >> are no longer welcome in the space due to the numerous concerns mentioned.* >> *- Currently there are no mediations nor restorative justice planned (from >> me anyway) since it may be too late, we didn't prioritize the incidents >> when it first occurred.* >> *-If you can, do some reflecting and reach out to whoever you feel >> comfortable speaking with.* >> >> Compassion differs from pity. Pitying Sierk isn't helping him or us in any >> space, it doesn't address solutions but provides a temporary sense of >> relief such as bringing him clean clothes and food regularly and not >> laundry / food service that he can attend to himself (the clothes begins to >> soiled in corners and food accumulates and spoils in the upstairs fridge). >> Pity prolongs the problems and makes it difficult for the person to grow >> out of the accustomed unhealthy lifestyle. >> >> All - Please refrain (especially those who do not frequent Omni to have >> enough understanding) from reacting to my message. We can have >> conversations and talk about it further for details and context, which I >> can be open to share more. >> >> If a fluid meeting is necessary I can set up a video call where we can all >> interact in a timely manner and see each other. >> >> Thanks, >> Toan >> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 6:52 PM Judith Gips <yipslsquirrel2 at gmail.com <https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/ebfnb>> wrote: >> >> >* Thank you for keeping us posted. >> *>>* Has Sierk tried Suitcase Clinic? great all volunteer program that includes >> *>* physicians, podiatrists, chiropractors, and more. >> *>>* I can buy some soap, shampoo etc and maybe some clothing. >> *>>* On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ron Weisberg <ronwei at yahoo.com <https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/ebfnb>> wrote: >> *>>>* Hi all, Toan, Sierk and I met Friday afternoon as follow up on hygiene >> *>>* and food handling. Here’s what I have observed and shared with Toan and >> *>>* Sierk: >> *>>>>* 1. Overall hygiene seems better, less odor and generally better body and >> *>>* clothes cleanliness >> *>>>>* 2. Reduced handling of food by Sierk; I am there at 12:30 on Fridays to >> *>>* sort the food donations. (We are still looking for Tuesday help.) >> *>>>>* 3. Sierk has relocated to another part of OMNI, so no longer in proximity >> *>>* to the collectives which have complained. >> *>>>>* HELP STILL NEEDED >> *>>>>* 1. Sierk needs help with laundry and bathing (has a few options but needs >> *>>* more) >> *>>>>* 2. Needs more clothes; at least another change of shirt, trousers and >> *>>* jacket and socks. Perhaps someone could take him shopping. Shirt and >> *>>* Jacket size = x-large; trousers = 38X34; shoe = 12. >> *>>>>* 3. Needs medical attention to his lower leg persistent skin problem; >> *>>* complicated by possibility any free service will end up being billed to a >> *>>* third party, who has assisted in the past; Sierk does not want this. >> *>>>>* Please contact Sierk directly if you can help. >> *>>>>* Ron >> *>>>>>>