That having been said, I also would stand by Marc's actions. There should be some way to put a temporary suspension on an email address in the immediate term to stop a barrage of emails as a cooling off mechanism.
I think it's worth acknowledging how thankless a job running a listserv can be and thank Marc for doing it for as long as he has, with very little help, and while being admirably responsive. I've never done that job myself, and don't envy the position.
On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
> I'll 4th & 5th that.
> I was trying to direct Giovanni's enthusiasm to be most useful on the Sudo-radio list. I still think that would be the most appropriate move.
>
> It is in fact true that this is a huge and awesome open window in spectrum allocation and it would be a shame to miss it. How Giovanni has tried to go about convincing everyone of that has clearly been counter-productive. His promise to put together a brief note about how to register before Nov. 14 and what it takes to do that - would be very useful information.
>
> I dare say though that if annoying is a criteria for being banned on this list - as a subjective matter many would be on thin ice. (No offense. Myself included.)
>
> I think that ad hoc unilateral banning is an overextension of the individual power any Sudo-er should have. Something that was mentioned could justify removal from the Board. I would suggest we have more than one person with the power to ban people from our mailing list. And that those people be charged with doing do according to some predictable and ascertainable policy.
>
>
> sent from eddan.com
>
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Danny Spitzberg" <stationaery(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wholeheartedly 2nd, 3rd the sentiment and suggestion to have a conversation (via email if not IRL) with Giovanni to tame his exuberance and use the list more judiciously.
>>
>> "Banning" without first taking initiative to educate and include in understanding expecte practices is straight-up draconian -- eliminating not solving the problem.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Banning someone for being annoying is something you guys will probably have to do often and you should definitely not do it.
>>
>>
>> As far as I can tell, what makes NB dis functional is their commitment to come one come all. "All" is not a great group, necessarily. If you are trying to build a club that is self-governing, it has to have people in it whose judgment you trust. There's nothing wrong with that I think.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 31, 2013, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:
>>
>> IMHO that seems excessively harsh. Banning someone from the list is similar enough to banning them from the space, that it seems to me such things entail a collective action by the community rather than an administrative action or unilateral action by e.g. a list admin or someone with keys to the door. Spambots and overt criminals are one thing, but people who are merely annoying in some way are another.
>>
>> Really: With all the talk about anarcho-this and collectivist-that and consensus-the-other-thing, seems to me that unilaterally banning someone for being merely annoying is a pretty major contradiction to core principles.
>>
>> If you or someone else wants to ban someone from the list or the space, aside from emergencies such as bots and criminals, there are dispute-resolution processes in place for that.
>>
>> So I'm going to stick my neck out and ask that you reinstate him on the list, and initiate the use of whatever collective processes exist for resolving the issues you have with him.
>>
>> -G
>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>>
>> On 13-10-31-Thu 2:54 AM, Marc Juul wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:24 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> What happened? I thought the "john re" address had been captured or spoofed by a spammer, but "giovanni_re" was a legit user, most recently discussing the FCC application. Did the _giovanni_re" identity turn out to be some kind of wolf in sheep's clothing? -G
>>>
>>> He was banned for spamming the list about the FCC thing. Nine emails in nine different threads over the course of a few hours about a project that he has stated that he himself is not willing to work on. That is not reasonable. He also showed up for the sudo room and counter culture labs meetings and took an unreasonable amount of the community's time trying to push this project onto others. It appears that he has been doing similar things at noisebridge and other tech groups in the bay area.
>>>
>>> In addition: Starting and running an LPFM station is no minor undertaking, and Giovanni has continued his attempts to push this on people even in the face of little interest. This might have all been fine if he was actually spearheading the project, but he is not.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marc
>>
>>
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Could this proposed list be more broadly a community marketplace, that
allows people to offer their goods or services specifically to the
sub-section of Sudo folks opt-in interested?
I would imagine that such an exchange would also encourage barter of
goods and services within the community. In the long term, perhaps an
alternative commodity exchange could be supported.
Chris B - are you volunteering to manage the list?
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] cargo tricycle & burley bike trailer on CL
Date: 2013-11-04 17:17
From: Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk>
To: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>
Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com
[8]> wrote:
> This kind of information on craigslist finds has popped up from time
> to time in the contexts of other discussions and projects but if its
> going to be broadcast regularly on its own merits it may be better to
> establish a specific list for the purpose to make opting in / out as
> straightforward as possible.
I agree. I dont think interesting craigslist finds belong on the
discuss
list, but Ill be happy to create a new list if youre interested Chris?
--
Marc/Juul
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Dick Wolf <hotelcompany(a)gmail.com
> [5]> wrote:
>
>> Saw a couple of items I thought Id share on here...
>>
>> Industrial tricycle for $495 in Berkeley, listed 11-04 -
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bid/4171311031.html [1]
>>
>> Burley bike trailer for $25 in Brentwood, relisted 11-04 -
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/4157637465.html [2]
>>
>> If its okay with everyone here Ill post interesting CL items I come
>> across on the list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris B
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org [3]
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [4]
>
> _______________________________________________
> sudo-discuss mailing list
> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org [6]
> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [7]
Links:
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[1] http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bid/4171311031.html
[2] http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/4157637465.html
[3] mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
[4] http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
[5] mailto:hotelcompany@gmail.com
[6] mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
[7] http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
[8] mailto:di.franco@gmail.com
+1 Thanks guys!!
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-------- Original message --------
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Party Final Take: $660 cash.
From: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>
To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
CC: Re: [sudo-discuss] Party Final Take: $660 cash.
Thanks so much Matt, Liberty, Chris, Troy & everyone else who did
afterparty cleanup! The space looks amazing!
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What do you all think?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *Nevada M.*
Date: Sunday, November 3, 2013
Subject: [!SUDO-INFO!] hosting benefit for legal fund?
To: "info(a)sudoroom.org" <info(a)sudoroom.org>
HI there,
I'm one of the folks organizing support for the two people who are facing
felony charges after the Trayvon Martin demonstrations this summer. We're
looking for venue where we might be able to host a benefit dinner + movie
showing, and somebody mentioned that I should contact the Sudo Room because
they thought you all might be down. Is that something that you all might
be willing to host? We're putting together this effort on pretty short
notice, and we're hoping to have the event on the 15th of this month, but
if that date won't work for you all we'd definitely love to talk about
other dates, too! Thanks very much,
Nevada
Hi,
I've never been to sudo room before, but I've heard great things about it, most recently at the East Bay Anarchist Book Fair and I have some math and programming reference books that I'd love to donate if you're interested in them.
Can anyone let me know if someone is there to let me in right now, or will be within the next hour? If not, can you let me know when would be a good time to drop by?
-Alex
For everyone who has been hearing this talk about getting an LPFM lisence
for sudoroom (which would be absolutely impractical, impossible and
inappropriate) you can stop wasting your time by acknowledging one fact:
the LPFM rules currently require "2nd adjacency" meaning there have to be
at least two empty notches on the radio dial (each odd tenth is a notch)
it is _possible_ to apply for a waiver of 2nd adjacency, but the only way
it is accepted is in extreme circumstances where there just happens to be
overlap in an UNPOPULATED area. This does not apply to the bay area.
If you want to read about it, here's the link:
http://home.recnet.com/lpfm-second
there are zero FM slots in the greater bay area without a 2nd adjacent.
as someone who has helped several LPFM stations get started and stay on
the air, and who personally lobbied the FCC for the Local Community Radio
Act, I can tell you unequivocally that even if there were a frequency open
for sudoroom, we would be very foolish to apply for, let alone accept,
such a thing.
i really don't want to talk about it so please don't reply to me.
thank you
-jake
