sudo-discuss May 2013

sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org

78 participants
232 discussions

by Alcides Gutierrez

Hi everyone! I've been in the space a few times and told a couple of folks about my mesh network ambitions. So now we're fundraising for CJDNS support for Openwrt and Windows. CJDNS is a mesh protocol flavor that emphasizes privacy through built-in encryption and encourages trust and socializing through a trusted peer model. Hyperboria is a pretty large network of CJDNS networks ('mesh islands') scattered across the globe and connected via Internet tunnel. Several services are run such as HypeIRC, and some only accessible via Hyperboria. Project Meshnet is an effort to research, develop, and deploy functional mesh networks based on CJDNS and also expand Hyperboria to become the next generation of the Internet. Ambitious, yes. But very hard to do with the current state of support: Linux and MacOS. If we can support Openwrt and Windows the doors can open wider for development and testing. If you or anyone you know is interested in supporting this development, visit fund.meshwith.me . $125 gets you a wireless router preconfigured with peers so all you have to do is plug it in and connect to Hyperboria. If you have any questions please feel free to ask. Im usually on #Noisebridge and #Sudoroom on Freenode (VaporOne). But feel free to explore projectmeshnet.org or even install a node on your Linux and explore Hyperboria! Alcides Gutierrez http://e64.us

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by Troy Massey

A simply designed webtool for communication. Interesting to read! http://www.callerbook.net/prefix/888-244/9#.UZ25uhTft0w -- Sincerely, Troy Massey 510.383.6117 "You are the source of freedom. The price of freedom is awareness and action."

10 years, 11 months

tonight's meeting notes + action items

by Marina Kukso

hi all, we had a really excellent meeting this evening with everyone really collaborating to come up with good solutions to difficult issues and being excellent to each other in the process. thank you to everyone who created a collaborative environment that let us really accomplish a lot tonight! here are the action items (with the full agenda below): - Romy will implement our bitcoin acceptance program - Matt will follow up with Tommy re: getting a bank account - DONE (https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Hack_The_Room): Additional items for Sunday hackathon: list of expectations to discuss with landlords, membership management service - Marina will prepare summary of proposed membership/access configurations from the list for people to review. ** further hacking on this during sunday hackathon - INC: Marina will send a list of items that are planned to be hacked on sunday and what kinds of skills are necessary for them. include in the email request for people to indicate what they want to work on and what time they would be available + a callout for GOALS for the day (and request to bring tofu for bbq and the bbq itself) - marina *_________________________________________________________* May 22 2013 Attending: JD, Andrea, Anthony, Gil, Sarah, Sam, Ray, Andrew, Eddie, Marina, Bill, Ryan, Jordan, Matt, Kyndle, Troy, Cal, Max, Woody, Jehan, Neem, Eddie, Morten, Len, rusty ==Introductions== Co-Facilitator: Brief personal intros (< 20 sec per person) - Last thing you created *Share food / sudo mate if available.* ==Announcements== Co-Facilitator: (< 8 minutes) - ===Consent Agenda=== - - *(Let's use this time to briefly review and consent to items that need no more details or discussion)* - - May 25th: Showing of Judi Bari film in the entire space. Rusty would love help organizing it. - Fabulous Friday Films: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Fabulous_Friday_Films If you have access to a sound system, please contact Vicky. Vicky can take full responsibility of the sound system and can pick up and drop it off, etc. - Bring ALL Dolby Surround Sound speakers to sudo room please - Contact Matt and Sam about existing sound system - *CANCELLED: **Sunday** May 2**6** @ 7pm* - Cleaning of Natural Decay - Craigslist posting looking for friends: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3789289305.html - Use http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ (ask Matt for admin access) - Tweet any space details *@sudoroom* - Email *info(a)sudoroom.org* - Interested in more inter-hackerspaces collab? Join *Open Hack Night*every *Monday* at *7pm* @*LOL* (*1234 23rd Avenue, San Antonio (east Oakland)*). LOL is a POC, Queer and Women-organized hackerspace. It is radically inclusive--EVERYONE is a desired member! Their organizers want us to do more stuff at each others' spaces. :] :] - Next *BACH* planning meeting: Fri May 24 @ 8pm at West Gate San Leandro, 1933 Davis St, San Leandro - BACH info: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Consortium_of_Hackerspaces - Sudo Bike - ask Matt about borrowing it for a set period of time, or for donations to "Sudo Bike" - ===Other Announcements=== - - Sunday 5/26: HACK THE ROOM sudo room hackathon! come sunday to hack on technical and non-technical items relating to improving sudo room. items to hack on include: door access ( https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Door_access_hacking ) finance management, articles of association, meeting format, outreach strategies, etc. - *will the hackathon spillover into the wee hours of memorial day??? will we have a tofu bbq??? *come sunday to find out - "Today I Learned": last call for hosting a TIL session this Sat. 5/25: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned (sign up for fuurea?ys - Zine workshop? - Remote Vicky says: Awesome writers' meetup this past Sunday! We will be meeting every other Sunday at 4pm (next meetup June 2nd). Sarah is starting a screenwriting group for anyone who is interested in writing a script or a short film, or maybe even a comic book! Every Sunday from 5-7p. Refreshments will be provided. - Remote Vicky also says: BIKE SMUT! Thank you to everyone who came together to make it happen (and delicious). Fare included Ray's aphrodesiac ice cream & corn silk ice cream, and Sudo Mate. If you are interested in having a follow-up conversation on the event, please contact me! - We made $77 from ice cream + $191 from donations split with bike smut - June 22/23: Workshop Weekend! Help organize or teach DIY/makery/hackery/sciencey/arty workshops. - JD and Gil - Icebreaker (10 min) - What are some ways that you resolve conflicts? - === ACTION ITEMS === - - Co-Facilitatory: ryan (< 5 min) - - Follow-up on previous items--keeping it brief, okay to table if necessary to next meeting: - - *New Business:* - - *Old Business:* - - RESOLVED: DBill will set up automatic reminders DONE - Sarah is willing to host a rave, perhaps weekly - FUNDING - RESOLVED: Review existing funding options, re-categorize, organize - Len, Matt, Marina, Jordan, Romy, Jenny DONE - Put your name next to specific projects that you are interested in - Max, Jordan and sudo-sys will brainstorm on alternative ISPs - Tommy will update fiscal solvency spreadsheet - Membership management system - Bill and Tommy - POSTPONED TO HACKATHON sunday - RESOLVED: Max is researching alternative ISPs and recommends LMI, will continue this discussion on the sudo-sys list. - LMI is installed. 4 active lines running DSL. 2 are active. router change pending - [postponed until next week] WHO WANTS TO RUN AN ETHERNET CABLE to rock paper scissors collective? - Matt will help - RESOLVED: Add Hacky Happer Hour to the calendar - *Sam* hosted Hacker Happy Hour, Bill and Andrew will help - RESOLVED: Oakland Nights Live - what to do? - [postponed until next week] Max will talk with them about this regardless on Friday for "Capital and Crisis" putting on thinking caps - ... and "theorizing" - *POSTPONED UNTIL NEXT WEEK: **[Sharing Sketch Tomorrow for Supper w/ Public School] Jenny* - Set expectations for sudo events, make this available to internal & external - -Ensure doors are closed - -Trash and recycling - -Running the dishwasher - -Putting furniture back where it belongs - -Vacuum! - Jenny will discuss with Public School this Thurs. - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fyHwH-O_tMEW3c01HvHbmAHDqj6aD2DSDmpdtM_… - *Postponed* (not for discussion, only for reference): - - [Postponed] Talk to Danny O'Brien, intro from JC to Jordan, invite him to come to a future sudo meeting to share insight! - Straight to the source--but out of the country :( Will be back later this month and Jordan will follow up then. - [Postponed until necessary] Eddan - Reference letter from George - [Postponed until necessary] Jenny sync with Troy on library - Not yet but they will - Set up date for label-printing organizing of stuff event - Jenny!1 -troy - still need to set a date - [Postponed until someone throws Romy a massive love bomb] Romy to lead diagram for Articles of Association amendment - Romy to work with Troy to turn the articles into a flow diagram. Diagrams and drawings of sudo room members being passed around. - [Postponed until ?] Add articles to github (gitorious!!!!!!!? - https://gitorious.org/+sudo-room) <https://gitorious.org/+sudo-room%29>- Yardena is going to put these articles up ==Fiscal Solvency== (20 min) Exchequer: Tommy not here && Co-facilitator: Bill - *Third** Wed - **collect dues!** *(2nd & 3rd - collect dues, 4th - assess where we're at) pay your dues! - Review and consensus process: - Fiscal Solvency Spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlKk2X9KKqlFdFZJUy12<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlKk2X9KKqlFdFZJUy12x3ZUhDUmx2…> x3<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlKk2X9KKqlFdFZJUy12x3ZUhDUmx2…> ZUhDUmx2N3hUZldyejlXdFE#gid=7<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlKk2X9KKqlFdFZJUy12x3ZUhDUmx2…> - Rent: $1500; Utilities: $220; Services: $50 - Target membership contribution: $88 per member (based on approx. 30 people) - now we're collecting target of $60 - some give more - sense of urgency: Still working on month-to-month - Financial Planning - UPDATED: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Funding_Ideas - Contact with Bookkeeping Cooperative - Planning to implement trial run with "Sudo Kids" project ==Amendments to the Articles of Association== Co-Facilitator: Bill ==Conflict Resolution== Co-Facilitator: Bill ==Additional Items== (per item) Co-Facilitator: Tommy - Communication with landlord: how do we communicate with the landlord? - Proposal: "The official policy of Sudo Room is to only act on requests by the Land Lord that are given to Sudo Room *in writing *by the Land Lord or one of the Land Lord's agreed upon representatives, except in cases of emergency (ie. preventing injury), or compliance with already written city codes." --Andrew - Discussion: - Some agreement on formalizing the relationship whether it's in moving forward with the proposal as written or designating points of contact (ie, the landlord should communicate items directly with leaseholders) - we asked for the current door to be installed - concerns about being handed a notice (in writing) to remove things from the common space - do we have recourse? can we counter/compromise? - some suggestions to work very hard to make any request for formalization seem conciliatory instead of hostile/aggressive - what does our lease say? it offers the common space as an amenity. will email the text of the lease for further details - if we are making a move to formalize/legalize the relationship, it may indicate a serious souring of the relationship. we should be willing to deal with potential consequences. we want a great relationship with the landlord that is informal at best. if we are concerned - we have to remember that we are tenants and bring him income, so we have power - it is important to be able to give people without keycards/rfid access to the space during daytime hours (ie, benefit of open door) - good to have expectations clear from what should be in the common area - the goal ultimately is to communicate clearly and consistently vs just having a goal of having things in writing - suggestion: working group to develop the items that we want expectations about - reiterate to landlord that it's to the landlord's benefit to make expectations clear - LMI offers a telephone line which we can set up and have that be one point of contact - we offer a lot of events, collaborate with the public school, have random people, etc....so a lot of it is potentially outside our control and we do often overstep a lot of what a normal tenant does and other landlords would not necessarily be as conciliatory - one solution is to rent more spaces :) - Membership & Access Discussion: who is a member? what are the benefits of membership? how is membership related to access? - Articles of Association on member benefits: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_2.3_Benefits - Straw poll on membership and access: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zCaEAVVjLwMrWcoPlGb09-G6bvaaiewi33FTz3OBpt… - Discussion: - what is the current way to get in the space? ad hoc with a principle of limiting the number of keys - web of trust: basically, we've been giving rfid's, pw's to the web-based opening mechanism, and keys to individuals on an ad hoc basis (if they ask for access, etc.) - andrew has been acting as "keymaster" role - proposal for unofficial keymaster role: humans who volunteer to help people get in (helpful if they live nearby or are often in the building for other reasons) - important to reconcile whatever we decide with the articles (change them if htey need to be changed) and keep in mind that whatever we do, it should be in line with our values: commitment to public access & providing a safe space under the auspices of an association of members who get access and have certain benefits - Feedback from new person: the meeting is not the best way for a new person to get acquainted to the space because it requires some previous knowledge. what would be a good time for a new person to come to learn more about: collaborating, learning about existing projects, and learning things. - Space / New Space / The Search Continues - Priorities / values - Historical / Previous requirements for any potential space are listed here: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/open_a_space - Please note that those are from last year and is in need of updates--let's do that now! - Exterior security - safety of the surrounding area - Lease vs month-to-month rent (latter preferred) - Kitchen / communal kitchen - Street-facing - No regressions from the current space - Strategy - Use http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ (ask Romy or Matt for admin access) - Tweet any space details *@sudoroom* - Email *info(a)sudoroom.org* - Craigslist posting looking for friends: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3789289305.html - Updates from NoBAWC meeting @ sudo room - New Logos - Ryan - informal straw poll for set of 9 logos (numbering goes from top left and zigzags to bottom right): - 1: 0 - 2: 2 - 3: 5 - 4: 6 - 5: 3 - 6: 3 - 7: 0 - 8: 5 - 9: 2 - What time for sunday's hackathon? (see action items) ==Action Items== Scribe: - Romy will implement our bitcoin acceptance program - Matt will follow up with Tommy re: getting a bank account - Additional items for Sunday hackathon: list of expectations to discuss with landlords, membership management service - Marina will prepare summary of proposed membership/access configurations from the list for people to review. ** further hacking on this during sunday hackathon - Marina will send a list of items that are planned to be hacked on sunday and what kinds of skills are necessary for them. include in the email request for people to indicate what they want to work on and what time they would be available + a callout for GOALS for the day (and request to bring tofu for bbq and the bbq itself) === Meeting Brief for Announce List === *Scribe:** Make a succinct highlights message based on the meeting minutes* ==Post-Meeting Teamups / Discussion== Co-Facilitators: YOU! & ? - Recap on IRC - meet after the meeting to move shit downstairs - talk to andrew about the written communication with the landlord - speak with woody about building bumpmapping

10 years, 11 months

communal living / Good Earth Hamlet // eco village in india

by Romy Ilano

http://www.goodearthhomes.net/Hamlet.html back to the topic of communal living spaces / alternative archiectures... i stumbled on this webiste today. good earth homes makes ecovillages and beautiful experimental apartment complexes in India. check out how the building is made! everyone's windows face inward... it's quite beautiful. it reminds me of the pretty hof buildings in Berlin with huge courtyards. what do you think of this? It's also a nod to a more communal lifestyle... Yes, I know these things are for the more well-heeled, but it's a start right? As a tech worker I know I'm more privileged than most people in the SF Bay area. Hamlet Cochin Good Earth’s first venture into community housing was 'Good Earth Hamlet'. An attempt at community housing which bridged the existing gap between independent houses and the urban stereotype block of flats. The emphasis has been on community spaces to encourage interaction while at the same time providing for individual privacy. The half-acre plot is on the banks of the Kaniampuzha river located in Chalikkavattom, a quiet suburb of Cochin. The central courtyard creates an intimate space, free from vehicles and safe for children to play. The circular form is most economical, both in terms of space and structure. Seventeen units, using an FSI of one, and a height of ground and two upper stories are appropriate, considering structural economics, as well as the blending in with the surroundings. The setback areas serve as private backyards for the ground floor units, and the first floor duplex units have terraces at each level. As one enters the hamlet through wooden gates, a paved pathway leads to the green, undulating courtyard beyond which one catches a glimpse of the waterfront through the stilted semi-open area. The stilted areas on the ground floor act as wind tunnels and enhance the air circulation in the courtyard. The structure is recessed in parts at the first and second floor level to form terraces overlooking the courtyard. These terraces break down the mass of the structure and together with the sloping roofs make an interesting form. Walking around the courtyard, past the collage of corbelled seats and bay windows, one is drawn to the waterfront, where a club and crèche lie on either side of the semi-open space used for interaction. Each individual unit has been designed to have an identity, in terms of its planning and location in the community. *Every*home has adequate natural light and cross ventilation. The interior spaces flow into each other, having walls only where required. The bedrooms are oriented towards the outside, while the living areas overlook the courtyard. In keeping with our principles of cost-effective construction, the structures minimize the use of Reinforced concrete and steel. The 9" brick walls had the outer face exposed and flush pointed, and the inside plastered. Arches are used to span large openings and windows, while doors are spanned with pre-cast thin lintels. Economical timber sections of jack-wood and *anjali* are used for the doors and windows. Filler slabs, using rejected Mangalore tiles, make up the roof and the floors, thus making the slab lighter and also reducing structural steel. Besides being economical, the filler slab also keeps the inside cooler and is ideal for hot and humid climates. The interiors are kept simple with terra cotta flooring and lime washed walls, with an occasional arch or a bay window to add character to the space. The sewage system uses a series of septic tanks for the solid waste, while the grey water is separately treated. The rainwater from the roofs is allowed to percolate through the courtyard, thus recharging the ground water. Organic waste is collected for composting; to achieve a sustainable recycling system. Thus the design works efficiently, using minimum circulation space and a maximum of the site to create a built environment, which enhances the lives of its inhabitants. A result of enthusiastic teamwork between the architects, engineers, masons and other skilled workers, the project was completed within the estimated cost, in a period of 16 months. The hamlet today, with perhaps a flower patterned curtain on a window, clothes hanging on a terrace, people conversing across terraces and a tricycle left in a courtyard, feels warm and secure, giving room for individual expressions while embracing them into the community.

10 years, 11 months

Monday - post hackathon - let's invade the Berkeley skatepark with LEDs!

by Romy Ilano

If anyone is still awake Monday morning/late afternoon, let's go wearing LEDs and nerd pocket protectors and invade the Berkeley skatepark! =D bongo drums, max wearing tevas, people with taped together glasses!

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new logo sketches from Ryan :D

by Matthew Senate

/the latest iteration/ attached

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Din din and not the din of wolves howling for their supper

by Yardena Cohen

>> It's Wednes-daaaay nite! Which means meeting and dinner. Meeting is ostensibly in an hour, and I am the only person at sudoroom. What's gonna happen with food? There's still time but we need to hurry...

10 years, 11 months

B&W darkroom setup

by Ben Hass

Hi all, I just found out about the sudo room while looking at the JavaScript user group meetup page and noticed the weekly study group. I'm hoping to check out the space sometime after I return to Oakland on June 1st. I look forward to seeing the space and meeting you all soon! I'm emailing now to see if anyone at sudo room is interested in setting up a darkroom? I have a pretty complete setup for B&W printing and enlarging. I also have a very cool Sinar P 4x5 view camera, though I'm still saving up for a nice lens. I would be happy to share use of the camera if others are interested in learning. I'm going to be driving cross-country on Sunday, so I'd need to know soon if there is interest in this project as I'm currently storing it here in Wisconsin. Maybe this is all a bit too archiac, but anyway I thought I'd see if anyone is interested. Best, Ben Hass 415-819-6755 benhass(a)gmail.com

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Fwd: Linode Support Ticket 1952977 - sudoserver (linode316279) - Scheduled maintenance for Thu., June 6 at 8PM PDT

by Matthew Senate

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: info <info(a)sudoroom.org> Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:48 PM Subject: Linode Support Ticket 1952977 - sudoserver (linode316279) - Scheduled maintenance for Thu., June 6 at 8PM PDT To: mattsenate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> * --- forwarded message --- * Wed May 22 2013 10:00:26 AM PDT from "support" <support(a)linode.com> Subject: Linode Support Ticket 1952977 - sudoserver (linode316279) - Scheduled maintenance for Thu., June 6 at 8PM PDT Support Ticket 1952977 has been updated by 'bkaplan' -------------------------------------------------- Hello - We have scheduled a maintenance window for the physical server your Linode is hosted on: Friday, June 7, 2013 between 3:00 AM and 11:00 AM UTC (Thursday, June 6, 2013 between 8:00 PM and 4:00 AM PDT) Downtime from this maintenance is expected to be less than 120 minutes, however please note that the entire maintenance window may be used if required. Your Linode will be gracefully powered down and rebooted during the maintenance. Services not configured to start on a reboot will need to be manually started. Additional information regarding this maintenance event can be found here: < https://blog.linode.com/2013/05/17/fremont-upgrades/> Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions or concerns. Regards, Brett Kaplan Linode Support -------------------------------------------------- Please use https://manager.linode.com/support/ticket/1952977 to respond to this ticket. Thank you, Linode.com

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Re: [sudo-discuss] [Big Changes] Access Crisis 2013

by mattsenate＠gmail.com

Think you're right that we are very close to completing item (b) I listed below. There are four others that require our attention. // Matt ----- Reply message ----- From: "Andrew" <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> To: "Romy Ilano" <romy(a)snowyla.com> Cc: "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> Subject: [sudo-discuss] [Big Changes] Access Crisis 2013 Date: Tue, May 21, 2013 1:26 AM This can be resolved immediately with the technology we already have. There is no reason anyone to keep the door propped open. 1. door.sudoroom.org is up and running, we also have the mouse buzzer, which I hear is not working, but should be easy to fix. 2. Intercom still works3. RFID works. I have RFID fobs if anyone who doesn't already have one wants one. I also don't think that it's always Sudo Room that props the door open, Public School does this as well. But, as far as Sudo Room is concerned, no reason to keep the door open. --Andrew --Andrew On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Romy Ilano <romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote: That is awesome! It is wonderful to see people hacking at sudoroom That's what it's all about Enjoying a lot of positive hacker energy at Mitch circuit microcontroller night at noisebridge --- Romy IlanoFounder of Snowylahttp://www.snowyla.comromy@snowyla.com On May 20, 2013, at 21:44, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes! I would like to hack on the articles, the meeting, finance mgmt, and outreach. What are folks doing sunday? I bet it would be a good day to hide from the filthy sunshine ;) or another weekend... - marina On May 20, 2013 9:28 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote: How do folks feel about a hackday or a hackathon (not a glamorous event, but a marathon of coding) over a weekend to resolve this and perhaps a number of other logistical sudo matters? A sort of work-party version of the "State of the Room" event perhaps--something like--"Hack the Room"? // Matt On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:42 PM, William Budington <bill(a)inputoutput.io> wrote: It seems like we can combine this with the recent interest in coding for access and creating a "sudoroom is open" API. Perhaps a sudo-access working group? I'm willing to meet with others after the meeting on Wednesday as a Sudoroom Open Door Access working group (SODA Workers!) Bill On 05/20/2013 03:34 PM, Matthew Senate wrote: > Hey all, > > Got word and confirmation from George today that he is dissatisfied with > our current access system--meaning we may no longer leave the door on 22nd > propped open whatsoever. > > We need to (a) resolve our membership identification problem and (b) unify > and maintain our full access management solution and provide it to all > members (c) set up a telephone inside sudo room (d) expand access solutions > to the public school, possibly other tenants up to a fair exchange (e) keep > the hallway on 22nd to the elevator absolutely clear of all items. > > Seriously, we are on thin ice and if we want to remain committed to public > access and thriving events, we need to get our shit together. > > I personally cannot commit to resolving any of the above items--but I do > offer help and feedback to folks who can commit. > > // Matt > > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- -------Andrew LoweCell: 831-332-2507http://roshambomedia.com

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