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by rusty lindgren

1. *"These mother fuckers should burn in hell. *Quit scamming people. You'd make more money actually being nice honest and helping more people that like your business instead of charging a shit load for 1 customer and losing 27490291. 2. "...The guy shows up in literally 10 minutes, pops open the door in about 30 seconds and then charges me $100 for the "labor" because opening a door is a $100 charge. WTF... Such bullshit. *Two stars for him being super speedy though.*" 3. *"Since my cat was inside crying and needing to be fed*- I told him I would pay $200 for him to unlock it or I was going to call someone else. He ended up drilling the lock out and then wanting to charge another $190 to replace it. *Preying on desperate people in bad situations.*" 4. "When he got here he said it would be 29 dollars service fee and 100 to pick the lock, he spent exactly 30 seconds trying to pick the lock, said it was unpickable and went to his car to get a drill and another lock to replace it. Took him may be 15 minutes to drill and replace the lock then he handed me a bill for 258 dollars. I said how could something that jtook under 30 minutes with very little effort cost so much. *He didn't care, just took my credit card and charged it."* 5. IF I COULD GIVE THEM NEGATIVE STARS I WOULD NOT HESITATE! *This is my first review and I actually made a yelp account just to save anyone from falling into their scam* they call a business. 6. They call themselves locksmiths, but that is a joke. They completely busted our font door lock (to the point that the handle was hanging loosely off the door and no long worked to keep the door closed), then proceeded to charge (and demand!) $150 for the "service." *I could have gotten in a lot quicker and cheaper by borrowing a neighbor's hammer!* -Rusty

12 years, 6 months

thunderbolt video cards

by rusty lindgren

Anyone done this on mac or linux(link below)? Would be cool to just send rendering jobs over thunderbolt... would be even cooler if I could build the pci-board set up myself, rather than spend a lot on this set-up. http://9to5mac.com/2012/12/11/mlogics-mlink-thunderbolt-expansion-chassis-n… -Rusty **

12 years, 6 months

Art Murmur This Evening!

by Marina Kukso

Hi everyone, Just a reminder that we'll be having art murmur this evening at sudo room. Coyote counter collective will be there from 7-10pm repping art, designs, and photos from a dozen different artists -including laser etched stuff! mediumreality.com We may also have a visit from Masahiro and his brain interface machine once again! As Jenny mentioned, we have been asked by George and Laurie to close up shop by 11PM, so join us early for art, socialization, and hacking! - Marina

12 years, 6 months

get some sudo stuff this weekend at OMCA white elephant sale?

by Matthew Senate

http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/omca-white-elephant-sale/?instance_id=51404 // Matt

12 years, 6 months

It's Unconscionable

by Eddan

Now, this requires a response. Has anybody started drafting something? If not, I will. ... Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&…> was not pleased. "I'm in shock that people would provide a class to teach people a skill to violate the law," Jordan said. "It's unconscionable." Lock-pick instructor Michael Fitzhugh<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&…> is a member of TOOOL (The Open Organisation Of Lockpickers<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&…>), a Netherlands-based outfit that teaches and holds national and international lock-picking events annually. In their world, lock picking is done for sport and bragging rights. But, he says, it's also a useful tool if you lock yourself out of your home. Jordan has a more conventional solution to that problem: "Call a locksmith!" http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-cla… Even worse than Quan, this guy's so desperate to change the subject about the incompetence of the OPD in news story after news story. Unconscionable!?! This coming from a police department that was about to go into an unprecedented federal receivership for its failure to reform; not to mention a police department seared with a global reputation for brutality, racism, and excessive means; and whose fundamental miscalculations and mismanagement of the response to Occupy cost the city millions of dollars.

12 years, 6 months

Minor Physical Rearrangement

by hol＠gaskill.com

Hi Folks, First off, I'm glad we have so many people who are proactive in generating a response to the state-sponsored dumbfuckery. I have enjoyed the lively discussion since opening my inbox :) In more mundane news, last night Jack and I organized the shop area of sudo room in preparation for some CNC milling, and in the process I went kind of crazy rearranging things in and adjacent to the shop. I prioritized respecting other active projects over achieving ship-shape of course, and I hope I didn't disturb anybody's ongoing projects or create off-nominal feng-shui in the process. Below is an approximate change log SHOP AREA (2 benches, 2 coffee tables, 1 chair) -set up the CNC equipment in compact and functional configuration -constructed arm to hang CNC motor and store clamps -moved all corded tools to a quad-milk crate cubby (including heat gun) -cut a hole in one workbench for cords to concentrate cordless tool battery charging station -moved soldering irons over to window area for proper ventilation (where is the solder? and the solder flux? i brought a big tub of flux in a while back) -moved the folding typewriter stand to the bike area for better tool access there -rearranged various tools to be more compact -designated a jar for drill bits and driver bits -designated a bin for all fasteners/drywall anchors etc -labeled the misc hardware bucket -concentrated safety equipment in one area to do: get hooks for pegboard, hang more tools and trace outlines, add more hearing protection to safety equip, more lasers, more metal, 3D print a shop vac nozzle that mounts to the spindle head instead of clamping thank you for all those who constructed all the benches! i was all talk on that project... BIKE & MISC PROJECT AREA (1 bench, 1 bike stand, 1 typewriter stand) -moved some bike stuff onto typewriter stand for easier access -concentrated induction metallurgy equipment neatly under bench -assembled n-1 soldering irons, still need to hack a fan to exhaust out window during heavy soldering -moved coffee roaster and coffee machine to top of big fridge, heat gun to corded tools area, tripod to camera area in storage hallway to do: add ventilation and soldering consumables area, maybe add a shelf for more project storage, overhead/hanging storage for bulkier future bike components major to-do: construct a tower for brewing/storing beer equipment??? LONG TABLE -removed trash... -sorted some misc hardware -moved bag of electronic components to bookshelf next to other bag of electronic components -moved some stuff to upper tier to clear table -put one soldering iron by the oscilloscope for light/quick soldering not requiring ventilation to do: chain more power strips together for infinite energy Also moved the 2 desks in the back corner toward the wall just to assist in flow around long table...didn't seem like the optimum solution but both are still sittable. Also QR'd the shit out of various objects. I hope I didn't cause anyone a headache searching for stuff, I just wanted to get the shop in usable condition and wound up going into a whirlwind figuring it would be good to have the place a little more organized prior to art murmur. Cheers, Hol

12 years, 6 months

Fwd: URGENT TO ALL TENANTS!!! First Friday Tomorrow Night....URGENT....PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

by Jenny Ryan

Notice from the landlord regarding tomorrow's First Friday event and new guidelines posted by the City of Oakland. TL;DR: -Laurie and George (the landlords) are asking that meetings disperse by 11pm, and that all doors be locked. -OPD will be setting up a mobile command post on Telegraph & W Grand -No First Friday events allowed south of W Grand -Event ends at 9pm with a moment of silence ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM Subject: URGENT TO ALL TENANTS!!! First Friday Tomorrow Night....URGENT....PLEASE READ CAREFULLY To: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/how-the-black-bloc-occupied-oakland/Co ntent?oid=3036670 The flier above (pdf) are guidelines for tomorrow night's First Friday Event in lieu of expected potential violence from the group listed in the web site above. Apparently at sites (unknown to me) this black bloc group has been advocating that people come out en mass and cause trouble after First Friday is over. We are asking that groups meeting in the building disburse by 11pm and that all doors, esp. doors to Broadway, 22nd Street and the Alley behind out of 2135, as well as the gate into the front entrance of 2135, be securely locked by this time. George will be there at that time to convince all to leave the building and he will secure it. Groups or individuals not adhering to this warning and coming back to the building after that time may find themselves responsible not only for damages to their persons but damage done to the building or others. This is a serious issue; even the Security Ambassadors are being asked to go home by midnight for their own personal safety, and there is no expectation that the police will have enough personnel on the streets should this get out of hand. Many of you were not there a few years ago during the (Oscar Grant) riots....it was not pretty, and there WAS damage to our property. Trouble is NOT expected early in the evening. Enjoy yourselves, but try to monitor alcohol consumption (your own and those around you) for the safety of all tomorrow evening...and get home early....and SAFELY! Laurie & George

12 years, 6 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 212

by Cyrus Farivar

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/oakland-mayor-apologizes-for-pro… -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211 (Cyrus Farivar) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:16:44 -0800 > From: Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)> > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211 > Message-ID: <058F1A7272C64F069631C24D0A06989C(a)gmail.com (mailto:058F1A7272C64F069631C24D0A06989C@gmail.com)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Matt, can I quote you in the piece? > > -- > Cyrus Farivar > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote: > > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 (J.D. Zamfirescu) > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Matthew D. Howell) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:12:42 -0800 > > From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)> > > To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)> > > Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 > > Message-ID: > > <CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A(a)mail.gmail.com (mailto:CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A@mail.gmail.com)> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > Agreed with Matt. As TOOOL says, understanding how locks work (and what > > their vulnerabilities are) helps everyone make smarter decisions about > > physical security. > > > > Might be worth mentioning that very few burglaries involve picked locks; > > it's too easy to throw a brick through a window instead. > > > > Also, for the record, the workshop is full at 20 participants. > > > > J.D. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > > > Hey Cyrus, > > > > > > I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will > > > help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that, > > > for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of > > > security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security / > > > hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I > > > was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I > > > bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a > > > 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an > > > aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to > > > the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just > > > pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put > > > things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I > > > would put things I didn't want to easily walk away. > > > > > > That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe > > > ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in > > > Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that > > > happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups > > > http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions > > > http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing > > > http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the > > > environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar > > > http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art > > > Murmur. > > > > > > // Matt > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > > > > > FWIW?I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on > > > > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has > > > > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can > > > > include/add it. > > > > > > > > -C > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Cyrus Farivar > > > > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" > > > > > > > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) > > > > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) > > > > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar > > > > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the > > > > Internet." > > > > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, > > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote: > > > > > > > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > > > > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > > > > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 > > > > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> > > > > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > > > > Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > > > > > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that > > > > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog > > > > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of > > > > Jean Quan to not even look into it. > > > > > > > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the > > > > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. > > > > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd > > > > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of > > > > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to > > > > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are > > > > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify > > > > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach > > > > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by > > > > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. > > > > > > > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles > > > > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about > > > > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little > > > > more fair and balanced reporting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: > > > > > > > > more: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com) > > > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's awesome, free press! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren > > > > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren(a)gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com)>>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of > > > > "journalism" I have ever seen. > > > > > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is > > > > just a cheaper version of that? (see: > > > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > > > > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled > > > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. > > > > > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go > > > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about > > > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > > > > > > > -Rusty > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu > > > > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that > > > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > > > > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > > > > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > > > > > > > Anca > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -=-=-=- > > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > > > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>> > > > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> > > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: > > > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Rusty Lindgren > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > >

12 years, 6 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211

by Cyrus Farivar

Matt, can I quote you in the piece? -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 (J.D. Zamfirescu) > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Matthew D. Howell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:12:42 -0800 > From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)> > To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)> > Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 > Message-ID: > <CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A(a)mail.gmail.com (mailto:CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A@mail.gmail.com)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Agreed with Matt. As TOOOL says, understanding how locks work (and what > their vulnerabilities are) helps everyone make smarter decisions about > physical security. > > Might be worth mentioning that very few burglaries involve picked locks; > it's too easy to throw a brick through a window instead. > > Also, for the record, the workshop is full at 20 participants. > > J.D. > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > Hey Cyrus, > > > > I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will > > help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that, > > for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of > > security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security / > > hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I > > was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I > > bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a > > 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an > > aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to > > the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just > > pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put > > things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I > > would put things I didn't want to easily walk away. > > > > That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe > > ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in > > Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that > > happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups > > http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions > > http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing > > http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the > > environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar > > http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art > > Murmur. > > > > // Matt > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > > > FWIW?I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on > > > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has > > > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can > > > include/add it. > > > > > > -C > > > > > > -- > > > Cyrus Farivar > > > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" > > > > > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) > > > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) > > > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar > > > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the > > > Internet." > > > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) > > > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote: > > > > > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > > > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > > > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 > > > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> > > > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > > > Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > > > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that > > > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog > > > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of > > > Jean Quan to not even look into it. > > > > > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the > > > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. > > > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd > > > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of > > > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to > > > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are > > > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify > > > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach > > > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by > > > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. > > > > > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles > > > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about > > > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little > > > more fair and balanced reporting. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: > > > > > > more: > > > > > > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com) > > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>>> wrote: > > > > > > It's awesome, free press! > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren > > > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren(a)gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com)>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of > > > "journalism" I have ever seen. > > > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is > > > just a cheaper version of that? (see: > > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled > > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. > > > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go > > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about > > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > > > > > -Rusty > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu > > > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that > > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > > > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > > > > > Anca > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -=-=-=- > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>> > > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: > > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rusty Lindgren > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > >

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208

by Cyrus Farivar

FWIW—I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can include/add it. -C -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of > Jean Quan to not even look into it. > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little > more fair and balanced reporting. > > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: > > more: > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com) > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > It's awesome, free press! > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren > > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of > > "journalism" I have ever seen. > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is > > just a cheaper version of that? (see: > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > > > -Rusty > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu > > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > > > Anca > > > > > > -- > > -=-=-=- > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com> > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Rusty Lindgren > > ** > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > >

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