Hey all!
Recently there was a controversy at Gittip which resulted in a project to
fork or rebuilding it with better governance structures and more focus on
the needs and safety of marginalized users.
They are figuring out how to run a web application in a cooperative
democratic way that focuses on the needs of the users, as opposed to a
TaskRabbit like model where a central corporation controls or extracts
value from their users and makes unilateral decisions.
They're working on bylaws and legal structures for this, and would
appreciate advice or connections to people with advice. Talk to them in
IRC at #atunit, particularly @adrienneleigh, or send me resources to pass
along.
This is an exciting frontier for the cooperative movement. What if
TaskRabbit was owned by the rabbits? Websites have very concentrated power
structures compared to the number of users; what are effective ways to get
input from so many people who might not all be very invested in the
project? What other models can we draw from -- credit unions? What
lessons can be learned from Wikipedia? Etc.
This especially matters for this particular use case, recurring donations,
because some people will be making their living off of proceeds from the
site and it's important that their voice is heard.
Sudoroom may be one of the largest users of this site when it launches,
like we are now with Gittip.
-Rabbit
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> whoever runs this list is free to ban me. I am not going to leave because you're too insecure in your position to be nuanced or thoughtful.
I could ban you right now, but if I do, I want it to be VERY clear
that it's not targeting a person or even a person's politics, but an
ongoing pattern of racist behavior. I would much rather you REALIZE ON
YOUR OWN that this is not the community for you.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> that is what the whole gentrification convo is about! white
> people writing about how bad gentrification is for black people!
This is a white supremist perspective that, among other things, erases
the many people of color who write about gentrification.
> whatever you guys - i'm at work. the list can ban me, you can talk shit as
> much as you want, if you have nothing better to do all day.
trolling 101
so, sudoroom has a robot arm now. It took a lot of people and creativity
to get it in!
I have started sorting out the control box and I am removing the "spare"
box that housed motor controllers for the assembly line, which are
seperate from the robot itself. The robot's last job was building parts
for bridges!
The robot and its control box (and the 48 foot long cables that connect
them!) are dirty! If you want a good start with this thing, consider
grabbing a towel and some soapy water and cleaning it off. Nobody likes a
dirty dog that marks you when you play with it.
At present, the robot arm itself is in the CENTER of sudoroom. I know
this is not necessarily a good place for it once it's working, but since
the pile of doors is still where it is (because we still don't have a
shop-vac to clean out the place where the doors are going?) and I didn't
want to put it by the wall (because then the cords wouldn't reach) and I
have to return the pallet jack today (the only way to move it) it will
have to stay there until we decide on wednesday where to put it. And then
we will need to borrow a pallet jack from somewhere...
I propose that we keep it in the middle of the room until we get it to
work at all, because until then (and i don't know how long it will be) it
is totally immobile and thus not dangerous. But we will have to talk
about it at the meeting, of course.
But my personal opinion is that we should keep it in the middle where it
is, after tuning its control systems to make it impossible for it to move
rapidly enough to hurt anyone. But I realize some people will object to
that suggestion and I respect that.
If you are interested in doing things with the robot arm, such as learning
how it works and how to operate it, let's talk about it. Also, we can
start thinking about what to use it for!
I think we should find a material (such as wax) that we can allow it to
extrude like a 3d printer (but with a large bead) so that we can practice
making big things. Also the people who sold us the robot can turn wax
into bronze...
-jake
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Also, no mention of the black retirees and heirs thrilled about their new wealth.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Please take your racist behavior and messages to some other space. It's not welcome at sudoroom.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> be more specific - do you think there are zero black homeowners in west oakland?
>> that is a fact you can look up.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not getting into it Sonja. Please leave and unsubscribe. Please feel free to reply and back me up if you feel similarly.
Agreed. Thank you Praveen for saying something.
I think it's disgusting to hear a white person use other peoples'
experience of racism as a rhetorical pawn in her petty off-topic
arguments about housing policy. I do not want that to be the tone we
set for Sudoroom.
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2014/07/15/tech-boom-west-oakland
Tech Boom Spurs Changes in West Oakland
A new condo complex several blocks from the West Oakland BART station. (Sam Harnett/KQED)
Once, you may have gone to West Oakland to hear James Brown or Aretha Franklin play the clubs on Seventh Street. The street was the center of a neighborhood rich in African-American history. NBA legend Bill Russell lived in West Oakland, and the Black Panthers had an office on Peralta Street.
But the clubs closed decades ago and Bill Russell is long gone. In their wake, a new wave of residents are sweeping into the neighborhood — many of them white, and many of them coming from San Francisco because of the tech boom.
According to the 2010 census, Oakland has more white inhabitants than black residents for the first time since the 1970s. Neighborhoods have been changing for decades, but the expanding tech industry is speeding up the process.
Meanwhile, sky-high rents are pushing people out of San Francisco, with many ending up in West Oakland, the first BART stop on the east side of the bay.
Over the last few decades, West Oakland has seen an increase of abandoned factories and shuttered businesses. Danita Robinson, a member of the Center Street Baptist Church on Tenth Street, says for a long time nobody would invest in West Oakland. But she says there is now more development in the neighborhood.
The now-defunct Esther’s Orbit Room on Seventh Street in West Oakland. The unassuming club played host to many greats of jazz, blues and R&B, including Etta James, Al Green, B.B. King and Tina Turner. (Photo: RadioNicole/Flickr)
For instance, developers recently built a high-end condo complex in West Oakland called Zephyr Gate. It’s a couple of blocks long and within walking distance from the West Oakland BART stop.
“That was so abandoned for such a long time,” Robinson says. “Now it is all nice over there and Mr. Google and Mr. Doctor are living there.”
Referring to to an old nickname for one section of the neighborhood, she asks, “What could we have put back there outside of these condos that would have been beneficial to the West Oakland area, especially what we call the lower bottoms down here?”
Kenna Stormwell-Gougis lives in a Victorian across from the Center Street Baptist Church. She bought the house a decade ago.
“I was the only white person on this block 10 years ago,” she says, “and now, I would say the block is 40 percent white.” She says lots of new people are riding by on bikes and popping in and out of old Victorian houses.
Danita Robinson doesn’t think of the newcomers as West Oaklanders.
“I call them San Franciscans,” she says. “Why else would you be moving to this area and not another area of Oakland? Because it’s three blocks from the BART station.”
Dawn Phillips is the program co-director at Causa Justa::Just Cause. His organization published a report that shows some market-rate rents in West Oakland to be higher than in Rockridge and the Oakland Hills — two of the most affluent areas in the city.
“When we looked at that data it blew us away,” Phillips says. “We did not know that.”
Rent is rising throughout Oakland. The real estate company Trulia says rents increased 10.8 percent in May from the year before. That is the third highest rent hike in the country behind San Diego and San Francisco. The median price for a two-bedroom is now $2,450 a month.
“This is a regional pressure that is being created,” Phillips says. “It is rippling out from San Francisco.” Soon he says, it will hit neighborhoods farther out in the Bay Area.
In gathering data for their report, Causa Justa::Just Cause found an increase in the eviction and displacement of Africans-Americans from Oakland. Phillips says the current demographic change is just the final stage after decades of disinvestment in the area: “We understand gentrification to be pretty long-term, long-evolving historic process that is actually very systematic in nature.”
10th and Wood, a new sandwich shop near the Zephyr Gate condo complex. (Photo: Sam Harnett/KQED)
Ron Lindsey can tell you first-hand how the long-term process played out in West Oakland, where he grew up. His father and uncle worked at the Navy shipyard. He saw that get shut down and the factory jobs shipped overseas. Then the businesses on Seventh Street started closing. He can still point out where they all were — a clothing store, a shoe shine parlor, barber shops, candy shops and night clubs. “All of these were black businesses,” Lindsey says.
After companies outsourced the neighborhood’s factory jobs, the tax base eroded and social services were cut. Unemployment and violence spiked. Lindsey watched as highways and train lines carved up the neighborhood. The elevated BART rails got built right over Seventh Street. Now where there was once music, there is the screech of trains, drowning out everything below. People left. Eventually, so did Lindsey.
Phillips says gentrification is this whole progression, from job loss to neighborhood decay to redevelopment.
Danita Robinson says even though things are changing, there is no way for her to move up.
“I don’t want to be low-rent,” Robinson says. “I don’t want to be low-income. I would like to move up. I can’t afford that condo. It looks nice. I want to be in that condo. But you killed all my jobs, so how am I gonna get in that condo?”
Robinson cleans houses for a living, and her husband works two jobs. The couple is expecting a baby, so she hopes they can find better employment soon.
Note: The caption for the top photo in this post has been updated. The original caption identified the condo displayed as part of Zephyr Gate, which KQED has not been able to confirm.
Explore: Oakland, Priced Out, West Oakland
Category: Housing
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Hello!
FYI: The OO wiki sudoroom page: http://wiki.omni-oakland.org/w/Sudo_Room
needs correction; wrong address.
Thanks!
--
“Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help
them, at least don't hurt them.” ~Tibetan Quote
Hi there!
Does someone who knows 3D-printing want to do a little project? I'm looking
to add a few more blades to this, so that it spins quickly and becomes a
super efficient wind turbine! For anyone who remembers last year when I was
there, this Would be the perfect complement to the home-made alternator I
made then.
This picture should diagram it well, let me know if you can help put
together something, sweet.
--
Ed Che.
hi,
if there is anyone who hasn't had enough of moving already, my friend
isaac (whom you may have met during the move) was looking for one or two
folks to help with a moving gig we're doing on august 26 or 27 or (less
likely) august 28, lasting for several hours, paying $20 an hour. please
contact me at nsw [preposition] sonic [punctuation] net. thanks.
steve
Apologies all,
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Available Domain
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Hello,
Mary just asked if she can take the empty boxes located in the basement.
I mentioned to her that I would find out, because I didn't know.
I will be leaving Sudo soon, someone please feel free to tell her or John.
And please let me know, so I know she has gotten the answer.
Many Thanks!
Daniel
--
“Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help
them, at least don't hurt them.” ~Tibetan Quote
Awesome!
Mitch Altman <maltman23(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm giving my very popular *Arduino For Total Newbies* workshop at Noisebridge!
>
>
>
>Saturday, 9-August, 1:00pm to 4:30pm
>
>
>
>You've probably heard lots about Arduino. But if you don't know what it is, or how you can use it to do all sorts of cool things, then this fun and easy workshop is for you. As an example project, we'll be creating a TV-B-Gone remote control out of an Arduino you can take home with you.
>
>
>All ages, all welcome!
>
>
>
>For more info, and to register:
>
>http://tiny.cc/ArduinoNoisebridge
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>
>
>Mitch.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>sudo-discuss mailing list
>sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
My friend Hilary, in Oakland, is looking for donations of OLPCs for a school in Tanzania. If you can help, please see below:
WANTED: OLPC XO-1 laptops. These machines were introduced through a
”Give One Get One” offer by One Laptop Per Child <www.laptop.org> a
few years ago. Please check your closets to find these wonderful
learning tools now hiding there. The XO is a potent learning tool
designed and built especially for children in developing countries,
especially those living in some of the most remote environments. It’s
about the size of a small textbook. It has built-in wireless and a
unique screen that is readable under direct sunlight for children who
go to school outdoors. It’s extremely durable, brilliantly functional,
energy-efficient, and fun. We are collecting these laptops for a new
school in a rural area of Tanzania
<http://www.aiscs.org/projects.php>. If you have no further need for
your machine, please contact AISCS info(a)aiscs.org or call us:
510-273-9044 to donate it, even if you are not sure it still works.
Thanks,
Mitch.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 6:08 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Totally would love for us to work with them on this. Are they local?
They are a distributed online group. The project mainly exists as:
- an irc channel: freenode.#atunit
- a website: https://www.atunit.org/
- an issue tracker: https://www.assembla.com/spaces/atunit/tickets
I'm giving my very popular *Arduino For Total Newbies* workshop at Noisebridge!
Saturday, 9-August, 1:00pm to 4:30pm
You've probably heard lots about Arduino. But if you don't know what it is, or how you can use it to do all sorts of cool things, then this fun and easy workshop is for you. As an example project, we'll be creating a TV-B-Gone remote control out of an Arduino you can take home with you.
All ages, all welcome!
For more info, and to register:
http://tiny.cc/ArduinoNoisebridge
Mitch.
I guess there's a huge pile of doors in sudoroom, with a note that says
"keep at least 25 of them here" or something.
does "here" mean sudoroom? or can i move them downstairs into the library
or something? I want to put the robot where they are.
-jake
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Rabbit <rabbitface(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Recently there was a controversy at Gittip which resulted in a project to
> fork or rebuilding it with better governance structures and more focus on
> the needs and safety of marginalized users.
>
> They're working on bylaws and legal structures for this, and would
> appreciate advice or connections to people with advice. Talk to them in IRC
> at #atunit, particularly @adrienneleigh, or send me resources to pass along.
>
> Sudoroom may be one of the largest users of this site when it launches, like
> we are now with Gittip.
Yes! I really hope that the Sudo community can put our weight behind
this project. It is an extremely important one, and has AMAZING
potential.
I'm planning to rent a Hard Surface Cleaner from Home Depot this evening
(If I can figure out how to transport it), to clean the concrete floor in
CCL:
http://www6.homedepot.com/tool-truck-rental/Hard_Surface_Cleaner/L08992029/
Only $48/day, plus cleaning solution! I'm planning on renting it for a full
day, so once we're done with the CCL floor, Sudo, BackSpace or FNB might
want to borrow it to clean their concrete floors as well. Much easier than
wet-mopping...
Is there anyone who can help me get this thing from Home Depot in Oakland,
between 6 and 7 this evening?
Patrik
Hey everyone,
I hope this wont seem weird to formally announce this, but I decided
tonight that if I am gonna attend any meeting, I am going to attend the
whole meeting all the way through to its initially-slated /
official ending-time, or I will just not attend. I decided it is just too
disrespectful to others to hop in and out of meetings before they are
slated to be finished, even if it is for other, equally pressing omni
business (which has, in every case I can think of, been the only reason I
have ever felt compelled to do so.)
Therefore I respectfully ask anyone that feels I personally need to step
away to attend to something else or answer a query, or even wants a quick
sidebar on somethin at a given merting, simply not ask but wait until the
meeting is done - barring of course some sort of all-out emergency.
By the same token, if a meeting runs over its running time, I may have
to leave that meeting at some point thereafter - and I sincerely hope that
no one at that extended meeting will be offended if I do so at that point -
I encourage others to try this model with me, which I probably should have
been following all along. Honestly, I am really not the best multitasker in
the world (as I am sure this is already readily apparent to everyone
anyhow), so I dont know why I tried to attempt otherwise.
I hope this doesn't seem narcissistic or anything to announce publicly - as
if its sooo important somehow - but I just want to make sure moving
forward, that no one is offended if I have to defer talking to em (or
otherwise engage with another matter) right away whilst I am still in a
meeting, or have to leave a meeting that is running over.
Love to all,
David
Hello!
I have been thinking about making some legs for turning those hollow core
doors into tables when needed.
I came across this recently: *http://www.thefloydleg.com/story-of-the-leg/
<http://www.thefloydleg.com/story-of-the-leg/>* and thought.. we could make
something like that!!
I only have some rudimentary soldering skills, but I'd really like to learn
more heavy duty welding / metallurgy. Anyone here have experience with that
at all?
Anyone interested in working on a project like this with me? Not
necessarily tomorrow, but in the not-too-distant future?
xo
N
If anyone can help - helllla early - this is muy importanto! thanks
everybody! :)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *Jenny Ryan*
Date: Friday, July 25, 2014
Subject: [omnilogistics] Call for early birds! 7am caravan dump run
tomorrow!
To: omnilogistics
Cc: Rikke Rasmussen, "J.C. Cooper"
Thanks to everybody who helped load the truck tonight with all the Omni
detritus! And extra thanks to David K (who spent hours literally
demolishing the heavy wooden furniture) and Rikke (who brought her box
truck and coordinated, somehow, everything fitting perfectly like a game of
box truck tetris).
But! We need to make the dump run _tomorrow morning_ as Rikke and JC have
prior obligations to help with the Noisebridge Reboot [1] and need the
truck empty by noon! We will be meeting at 7am outside of the Omni with an
extra vehicle for a few folks who can help us unload the truck at the dump.
Or you can meet us at the commercial waste dump, which is 3 blocks from the
Coliseum BART stop.
If you can meet at this time (7am tomorrow/today), please contact me before
6:30am. We'll be checking with the dump at 6am to ensure they will allow an
un-dumping vehicle to enter the premises, or if they will voluntarily help
with unloading.
Love,
Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
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"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
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Can anyone at Omni block off the loading zone and the space behind it for
the truck that's coming to remove the debris situation outside Omni on 48th?
Can I also get all available hands to help load the truck up from at least
8pm on tonight? I know the OOC meeting will probably run late, but we need
some bodies to help load up that truck. If we do not load up the truck, we
risk getting cited for obstruction and that could be several hundred
dollars at this point considering the amount of stuffs.
I've arranged with J.C. & Ricky to bring their box truck to Omni in a
couple hours so we can do a dump run. They will have to be remunerated. I
don't know what it will be but it should be under $600 total. John had
scheduled with Waste Management for bulky pickup (which was also going to
be expensive due to the amount and type of stuff) but they flaked for 2
days, then said they can't take ceiling tiles, or broken-up furniture, or
actually pretty much anything we have out there, so it will have to be
hauled. Other options like a dumpster was explored but this was really
expensive and we would not get it for days (at least $750 + cost of parking
obstruction permit from city = over ~$1000). I don't anticipate the cost of
hauling exceeding $600 but this will have to be assessed by Ricky, JC et al
with the truck.
Note the cost of disposal will mostly be on john but partly on OOC. That's
because John doesn't think he should have to pay for e.g. the disposal of
the ceiling tiles from the bookstore-cafe (that collective should pay for
that), or actually, the extra 3 big wardrobes removed from CCL/Sudo room,
or of our garbage that we did not put out on Tuesday, etc. The exact
portion we are responsible for needs to be negotiated a bit with John (I
don't think this will not be a big deal), but re: the wardrobes for
example, as John expressed, since Sudo took 3 of them and we are keeping
one in the ballroom (4 total), we are also responsible for the other 3 we
don't need - it was a take them all or take none sort of deal (yar can
perhaps speak better to this). So who is responsible for what on our side
will need to be sorted out, I figure our responsibility is about 30%. We
had probably 7-8 bags of garbage and many, many bags of ceiling tiles, the
wardrobes were big and heavy, etc.
David
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Hey sudoers,
Here's the tl;dr version of tonight's meeting. Thanks for everyone who
showed up, paid attention and participated. We had a lot to wade through!
* OMNI ACCESS: More caution around access to the Omni during these
transitionary summer months is needed. If you open the door for
someone, make sure you either know they're a member, or if they're a
guest, take accountability for them. Give tours. Perhaps end the tour
back at the door if you feel that's wise.
** Suggestions to the issue of access included signage both outside
the door (that we're not yet open to the public) and inside (process
for dealing with visitors); designated 'open hours' or a 'Newbie
Night' with designated greeters; clarification/accessibility of
membership list, otherwise non-members should be sponsored by a member
or leave.
* CONSENSUS WROUGHT: Sudo Room agrees to pay into Omni's standing
funds for July (we would otherwise not have had to pay rent for July,
but decided to contribute to the Omni Collective's near-term
resilience and operating expenses. (10 unanimous yays)
* CONSENSUS WROUGHT: Sudo Room agrees that the Omni should pay our
lawyer ($816), though the larger bill's invoice should be documented
transparently prior to consensus. (10 unanimous yays)
* OMNI VOTING PROCEDURE PROPOSAL: A general sense expressed that the
current proposal is overly simplistic and dangerously susceptible to
manipulation by interested parties who block a vote to turn it toward
majority rule. Suggestion that the Omni delineate the kinds of
decisions it makes and how to go about voting for them (for example,
Sudo Room's process calls for a 2/3 majority vote in conflict
resolution procedures, full consensus for changes to our Articles, etc;)
* CONSENSUS PROPOSAL: "If the Omni Oakland Collective or any of its
member collectives bans a person from its space for reasons of
safety,that person is immediately and automatically banned from
Sudoroom."
(10 unanimous yays by 8 members and 2 provisional members)
* NEW MEMBERS:
** Liz finally voted in after 2 weeks without quorum! hooray!!
** Whitney: Civil engineer, working on a public art piece, working
with electronics, want to learn, contribute, share tools; working on a
property access gate and wants to learn more about hardware and
wiring. Daniel says Whitney has shown his interest in Sudo.
** Torrie Fischer: Ohioan, started Synhack hackerspace. Came to Bay
Area and was inspired by Noisebridge to start Synhack. C, python,
linux, machinist, construction; helping w/ noisebridge reboot; wants
to participate in a variety of communities. Torrie helped a member
with soldering.
** TJ Mosely: Electrical engineer, nuclear engineering. Interested in
power systems, embedded systems. Based in Oak / San Leandro, etc;
wants to build a doggie treadmill. TJ volunteered today for hours on
Omni construction.
* CONFLICT RESOLUTION: Accusation that Phil is complicit with state
surveillance. This is not necessarily a two-party situation, as Daniel
is speaking for the safety and livelihood of others. Call for solidarity.
** Conflict Steward: Whitney
** Mediator: Hol
Notes recorded for posterity at:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-07-23
- --
Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://sudomesh.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
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"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
- -Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
- -Stéphane Mallarmé
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:29 PM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
> i'm curious how many meetups we have regrouped at 4799 after the move. i
> noticed js meetup is now happening at a bar about a block from our old spot.
Yeah, and the Oakland Privacy Working Group seems to be meeting at Impact Hub.
I think it's partly the disruption of the move, and partly the
location. 2141 was more centrally located in the city.
We should accept that some groups will decide other places are better
for them, and find the new groups that do want to meet at our new
space. There will be a lot of them!
> i hope
> we find a solid footing in the new neighborhood and keep welcoming new
> members and visiting groups a priority. cheers.
Agreed!