- sudo-discuss - sudoroom.org

by Vicky Knox

Hey people! During Oakland Wiki's hackerspaces-themed editathon last Sunday, I worked on the Ace Monster page, and through that discovered "Hacker Scouts", an amazing mentorship program for young people interested in hacking stuff. Today while lurking Ace Monster's discuss listserv, I ran into a great convo on it. If you are interested in developing a youth engagement program at Sudo Room, these people would definitely be great allies and provide good solid insight. There already seems to be a collaboration going between them and Mothership Hackermoms. (Message 10 is quite beautiful.) V 7. Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! (Samantha Cook) 8. Re: Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! (Al Jigong Billings) 9. Re: Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! (Christopher Cook) 10. Re: Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! (Samantha Cook) 11. Re: Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! (Lyra) Message: 7 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:44:22 -0800 From: Samantha Cook <sam(a)hackermoms.org> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! Message-ID: <CANqT_TeD+Q7fxfvA7CpseFmFw9sVZbeT9SE+HkrMUGp0-Fug9A(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Friends, We have an amazing teen at Hacker Scouts who is trying to fund his ambitious and amazing project for this year's Maker Faire. Cameron is a 17 year old, homeschooled guy that paints, plays with lightning, makes electronic mechanical contraptions, writes computer programs, and builds/fixes computers.His project, the TARDIS tesla is very cool and ingenious in it's design and entertainment capabilities. We are proud to be helping Cam reach his Maker Faire goal. As a member of our Hacker Scouts Guild 001 in Oakland, we have the privilege of seeing him work on a variety of projects with precision, ingenuity and passion. He also mentors the younger members of the Guild with compassion and a cool ability to share knowledge. Between the Hacker Scouts mentors and his mentors at Arc Attack, he has the support to achieve his dream. We believe in him and his TARDIS Tesla, and ask you to contribute to his campaign<http://www.gofundme.com/TARDIS-Tesla>. You can find his fundraising page here<http://www.gofundme.com/TARDIS-Tesla >, and our article about it on the Hacker Scouts Website<http://hackerscouts.acemonstertoys.org/?p=530>. Even if you can't contribute, will you help out by sharing this? Thank you so much for your time, Samantha Cook, homeschooling mom of 3 and Executive Director, Hacker Scouts -- web: http://mothership.hackermoms.org email: info(a)hackermoms.org twitter: @hackermoms eavesdrop: mothershiphackermoms(a)googlegroups.com facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MothershipHackerMoms ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:40:38 -0800 From: Al Jigong Billings <albill(a)openbuddha.com> To: AMT General Discussion <discuss(a)lists.acemonstertoys.org> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! Message-ID: <A3A6AE14-8A6F-4DCE-9CFE-3E949ACA758E(a)openbuddha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I contributed. I encourage others to do the same. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:56:15 -0800 From: Christopher Cook <ccook(a)dirtylittlemonkey.com> To: AMT General Discussion <discuss(a)lists.acemonstertoys.org> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! Message-ID: <CAMDVYoYJmdEZCkxXA1cG7Ro7VT=aFQa10FTU_cRaUh9HbPrAbQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah Cam has brought his Tesla coil into the space a few times to show it off, impressive stuff. I think he and Costa worked together on the laser cutter to build the control panel for it. -------- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:58:52 -0800 From: Samantha Cook <sam(a)hackermoms.org> To: AMT General Discussion <discuss(a)lists.acemonstertoys.org> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! Message-ID: <CANqT_TcpoN2azsv3X5TFn+9Xc22umEGSDBW6EXOEby7wvs_rTg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you! Last night he was speaking so enthusiastically about his project; I hope we can help him achieve his goal! If anyone is interested in the current Tesla Coils he has, he will be bringing them to the next Open Lab on 2/17. Sam -- web: http://mothership.hackermoms.org email: info(a)hackermoms.org twitter: @hackermoms eavesdrop: mothershiphackermoms(a)googlegroups.com facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MothershipHackerMoms ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:24:44 -0800 From: Lyra <elevin(a)MIT.EDU> To: AMT General Discussion <discuss(a)lists.acemonstertoys.org> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! Message-ID: <CAKTip2e5q0kOtPVTkEp_-8fqnNyhFLcFtUXLoYvQm388sLTWeA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Shared and shown off. Encouraging ambition like this is one of the best things we can do for the world - Cthulu knows we need more Doctors and Mad Scientists! <3 L

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Bottle and drink beer at sudoroom tonight

by Morten H. D. Fuglsang

Hi all, We are bottling our first batch of subiir tonight at sudoroom. Join! We need more bottles, so bring empty and full ones. No twist tops ;-)

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Announcing 510pen community mesh network meetups @ Sudoroom

by adam scislowicz

I've worked on metro and adhoc based mesh networks at Airespace and then Cisco (Cisco acquired Airespace) as one of two architects. The mesh project I worked on was deployed for the city of Mountain View (dual use for VTA traffic stats), Stanford University, and for drone video surveillance during operation desert storm. The state of the art has improved much since, today I find the following paper on decentralized routing utilizing a cellular automata based approach very interesting: "A Routing Algorithm based on Cellular Automata for Mobile Ad-hoc Networks" http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CG4QFj… Regards, Adam On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 9:23 PM, mark burdett <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote: > 510pen is building a community mesh network throughout the east bay. Join > us at Sudoroom for a series of meetups to discuss basic how and why of > community mesh networks; wireless network hardware and software; how > various community wireless efforts can cooperate and collaborate; models > for organic growth, organization, support and sustainability; and how we > can join forces with local residents, small businesses, non-profits, > municipalities and anyone else to build a ubiquitous community mesh network. > > The first meetup will be at 8:30pm on Thursday Jan 31st: > > http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/510pen-community-mesh-network-meetup/?insta… > > (this is the continuation of a series of mesh networking meetups we held > at Noisebridge way back in 2009 > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Wireless_Mesh_Network_Meetup :) > > --mark B. > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >

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Sudo Space Program: Reminder - "Intro to Rocketry" tomorrow from 5:30-7PM, followed by misc rocket hacking into the night

by hol＠gaskill.com

Hi folks, Just a friendly reminder that we are meeting tomorrow evening to review basic rocketry principles, schedule a launch in the near future and immediate vicinity, and finally get down to some rocket fabrication. Here is some information to help ignite your boosters: Model Rocketry______________________________________________________________________________ Good synopsis of model rocketry basics http://aeroconsystems.com/tips/Basic_rocketry_HARA_2003-10-01.pdf Solid rocket motor basics http://www.jacobsrocketry.com/rocketry_overview.htm Good paper on aerodynamic drag with respect to model rockets http://sargrocket.org/Documents/Estes/TR-11.pdf Commercially available engine stats http://www.spaar.org/Downloads/Library/EstesEngineSpecs.pdf VIDEO OF CURRENT AMATEUR ROCKETRY ALTITUDE RECORD FLIGHT!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDqoxMUroA Space Launch_______________________________________________________________________________ Wikipedia article on liquid-propellant rockets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid-propellant_rocket Wikipedia article on orbital mechanics - very good read for an introduction! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_mechanics Attitude Sensing and Control http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/aeronautics-and-astronautics/16-851-satellite-en… Aerocapture for orbital insertion http://123seminarsonly.com/Seminar-Reports/033/Aerocapture-reports.pdf Brief overview of NASA's robotic refueling mission, recently had first success http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/RRM.html have a nominal day, hol

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Sudo Radio Is Live

by Vicky Knox

yesss!!!!!! >:D What's the word on a name for the station? Sudo Radio? I've also heard KLULZ floating around the room.

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Sudoroom would like to be open

by Anthony Di Franco

(But is not)

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[Call to Sign] BACH - Bay Area Consortium of Hackerspaces

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, We're beginning an official signature drive to find parties interested in the Bay Area Consortium of Hackerspaces (aka BACH). Please sign for hackerspaces.org and list your username here: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Consortium_of_Hackerspaces#Interested… // Matt

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630 Gallon Rain Barrel

by Thomas Fitzpatrick

I have a 630 Gallon Rain Barrel that I no longer have any place to put. Any takers? It is 6' by 5' by 3'. Must pickup. Call me. 510 207 4992 - Thomas Fitzpatrick

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Sudo Room is open

by Marina Kukso

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Looking for Ford truck mechanic

by J.C.

Hey all sending out a random ping looking for some expertise. I've got a 1994 Ford e350 Ambulance that needs some work, and need to get up and running so I can bring it by sudo room. I'm parked in Castro Valley at the moment if anyone has suggestions on where I might found a kick'n grease monkey. I also have a larger project for anyone interested or that has resources for upgrading to run on grease aside from diesel/bio.

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Oakland Wiki editathon tomorrow at SR!!!!!

by Vicky Knox

Hello beautiful people that I love and can't get enough of! This is a reminder that tomorrow's Local History Editathon will be held at none other than Sudo Room! This will be a really exciting event, as we'll have the opportunity to add content to the wiki on Oakland-based hackerspaces (such as none other than Sudo Room)! We will also have access to Oakland Wiki's growing collection of neat texts on Oakland history. If you have a great resource you'd like to bring and share, we'd love to access it! We will be holding the event at the usual time (1-5pm). See you soon! V

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Alcohol/Safety/etc. convo (wiki page)

by Vicky Knox

In response to last Wednesday's open-ended conversation about alcohol consumption at Sudo Room, I've created a discussion hall-style page on our wiki in which we can collectively explore legal, human and other implications of alcohol consumption at SR. Take a look at what other people are thinking, and contribute your own questions and ideas: HERE<http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Alcohol> ! VickykciV

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Hand signals for general meetings (wiki page)!

by Vicky Knox

Listservants, During this week's general meeting I started a conversation on using hand signals during meetings as a way to rank speaker order and mark shifts between the topic at hand (*sad trombone*) and the conversation's meta-process. A number of you spoke up with a lot of great perspectives and ideas. This email is intended to net in the lot of you interested in this topic so we can create a concrete proposal for an upcoming general meeting. Check out our beautiful wiki page <http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Hand_signals>, and help refine the proposal! VickykciV

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We have the dewar full of liquid nitrogen for Sudo Spheres tonight!

by Ray Lai

Does any one have welding gloves? Eric? Bring them in please so I can protect my paws. :) Raymond Lai Ice Cream Man Atomic Ice Cream Facebook.com/MotoAtomico

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PROPOSAL: for Sudoroom to join the Open Wireless Movement

by mark burdett

Proposal for discussion on list and at an upcoming meeting: That Sudoroom endorse the Open Wireless Movement and join the Open Wireless Movement coalition. Noisebridge has already joined; you can find a list of endorsers at https://openwireless.org/ Open Wireless Movement is a coalition organized by the Electronic Frontier Foundation to build technologies that let users open their wireless networks and educate people and businesses about open wireless. After allowing for dicussion on the list, we can bring up this proposal as an agenda item at a future meeting. If you have any questions you can ask me or contact openwireless(a)eff.org Thanks! --mark B.

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TONIGHT at SR: Alessandra Sanguinetti photographing Brain Wave Meetup!

by Vicky Knox

The below person emailed the info at sudoroom address, didn't receive a response, and so contacted me via my phony Sudo Room "business" phone number. This means three things: 1. Someone hasn't checked the info at sudoroom inbox in a while. 2. We will be having a very special visitor to the Brain Wave meetup tonight. 3. MY GOOGLE PLACES HACK WORKED! WE NOW HAVE A LISTING! (Do a Google search for Sudo Room. You will see a lovely listing on the right.) :D ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rivkah Beth Medow <rivkahbeth(a)gmail.com> Date: 2013/2/1 Subject: Fwd: Magnum photographer attending Brain Wave Meetup event Fri 2/1 To: vknoxsironi(a)gmail.com Thanks! Rivkah Begin forwarded message: *From: *Rivkah Beth Medow <rivkahbeth(a)gmail.com> *Date: *January 31, 2013 9:43:07 AM PST *To: *info(a)sudoroom.org *Subject: **Magnum photographer attending Brain Wave Meetup event Fri 2/1* Hi! What an amazing space it looks like you have! I'm writing to let you know that Magnum Photos<http://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=CMS3&VF=MAGO31_2_VForm> photographer Alessandra Sanguinetti<http://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=CMS3&VF=MAGO31_10_VForm&ERID=24KL53X…> will attend the Brain Wave Meetup event this Friday, 2/1 ( http://www.braindjvj.net/) and make sure you are aware and comfortable with her being there. She will work with her assistant, Sam Levine, and be respectful to your other guests, shooting around anyone not wanting to be photographed. We are in direct contact with Masahiro Kahata, the event's organizer, and I will cc you on my communications with him so we are all in open communication. Below I've also attached a brief description of the photo project. Please don't hesitate to be in touch with any questions at all. Many thanks! Rivkah Beth Medow ++ Rivkah Beth Medow rivkahbethmedow.com

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Re: [sudo-discuss] dewar/ln2

by Richard Karnesky

> I'm wondering if any Sudoers have access to a dewar and/or liquid nitrogen? Probably can't make tonight happen, but let me know if you need it in the future. I have access to a couple dewars and don't mind purchasing a bit of ln2 from the gas supplier in Berkeley. -rick

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Friday Filosophy, 2/1; Sex, Lies, & Broadband

by Eddan Katz

Dear Sudo folk. At Friday Filosophy today at noon, we will have Borekas from Grand Bakery again - this time more potato ones for vegans and the vegan-curious. All suggestions for topics will be considered. I propose we talk about the AutoAdmit online defamation case from several years back. See Citizen Media Law Project page for overview - http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/autoadmit; the Justia page with the full legal docket - http://dockets.justia.com/docket/connecticut/ctdce/3:2007cv00909/78132/; and the original complaint at http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/connecticut/ctdce/3:20…. In brief summary, an anonymous bulletin board with informal law school related chatter had some anonymously posted horrible threads about fellow female law students, even for those of us not easily shocked. Three first-year Yale law students were particularly targeted, one of whom allegedly lost her summer job because her employers came across the posts on searches (the defamers had intentionally Google bombed the search results.) Two of these students brought a lawsuit against the website and anonymous individuals who had posted the stuff. The case was eventually settled out of court. The third woman - Caitlin Hall, who happened to be a student of mine at the time - was deeply affected by the whole thing but chose not to join her classmates in the lawsuit. She wrote this provocative Op-Ed in the Univ. of Arizona newspaper where she was a journalist while in college called "Sex, Lies, and Broadband" (http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/2008/05/sex_lies_and_broadband - May 21, 2008). Below is an excerpt from it. I don't presume to know what I would have done in her situation, but I do know that when people search for Caitlin and AutoAdmit now, this is what usually comes up first. We can't stop malice on the Internet. Malice finds a way. We can try to shore up the banks of the ""real world"" with legal and digital sandbags, but online hate speech has the slow inevitability of a tsunami. When the avenues of publication and distribution are limitless, it becomes exceedingly difficult to control people's behavior (a concept our Constitution's framers not only accepted, but banked on). Nor can we stop college students on the Internet. Advisers invariably warn that the only way to keep unsavory information from bleeding into the professional world is to decline to put it on the Internet in the first place. To a college student, that solution has all the persuasive power of telling a high schooler the only surefire way to avoid pregnancy is to forego sex. But even if we can't stop the lambs and we can't stop the wolves, we can still stop the slaughter. The best way to do that, counterintuitively, is to overwhelm the market with bad information by allowing online verbal abuse to run unchecked, so that all such speech becomes valueless, unreliable and irrelevant. That's the best solution in that it's the most efficient, because it enlists the boundless energy of the depraved in their own undoing. Moreover, it's the only way to bypass the question of how to keep employers from using social software to inform hiring decisions (the answer, by the way, is that we can't). To state the obvious, for the first generation to be libeled on the Internet, this solution sucks. It's no treat overhearing a stranger say he read you ""fucked your way into Yale."" It's infinitely more unpleasant knowing your friends, parents and boss have all read the same thing. But that's the way it has to be, in the fatalistic sense that that's the way it's going to be. All we can control is how quickly it's over. And that, despite what some will say, is a real choice.

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Who can get a dewar of liquid nitrogen?

by Raymond Lai

I'm wondering if any Sudoers have access to a dewar and/or liquid nitrogen? Project is liquid nitrogen ice cream for First Friday (eek, today!) Cheers, Ray

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Re: [sudo-discuss] IRC

by Jenny Ryan

When founder status has been abused to the point of revoking the decisions of operators, behaving inappropriately with insulting symbols, and intimidating one of our most awesomely proactive members (which Yardena described most acutely and all of which I have been witness to), then it would seem Founder status is indeed required to be held by someone the community trusts. Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Mischa Spiegelmock <thadwooster(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Founder status is not required to "filter" the content of the channel > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Jae Kwon wrote: > > > Here's a proposal. > > > > Assume that #sudoroom on FreeNode should be officially operated by > SudoRoom the collective. [assumption 1] > > Assume that FreeNode will force the transfer of +F to whoever/whatever > SudoRoom decides. [assumption 2] > > Assume that SudoRoom agrees that the contents of #sudoroom should be > filtered for the purpose of SafeSpace. [assumption 3] > > > > Then I suggest we: > > > > (0) test the assumptions first. > > (a) vote on whether +F should be reassigned, and if so, > > (b) vote to whom +F should go, where candidates are suggested -- real > bot implementations included. > > > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:26 PM, hol(a)gaskill.com wrote: > > > >> bumping rachel's sentiment here. yardena's note here was the clearest > explanation I've seen, as someone who doesn't really get on the IRC channel > and who would like this information to get out prior to the meeting so as > to reduce meeting time. > >> > >> > >> Jan 30, 2013 01:15:46 PM, rachelyra(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> i think this reply is dismissive and it makes me sadfaced. > >>> > >>> Yardena is talking about much deeper and more insidious, and > potentially > >>> divisive, issues than typos or spelling. If you think her concerns are > >>> boring, then you could easily ignore them and stay silent without being > >>> dismissive and rude. > >>> > >>> Yardena did an awesome job of facilitating meetings for 6 straight > hours > >>> last week... it seems to me like anyone who enjoyed that experience > with > >>> her might take a moment to give a damn about her concerns. > >>> > >>> Multiple folks have suggested it would be good to have a clear IRC > >>> policy. That seems like a good next step. Maybe a wiki page, seeded > >>> with Yardena 's suggestion here? I am not active on the channel so am > >>> not sure if it makes sense for me to be too involved in that > process...? > >>> > >>> R. > >>> > >>> On 1/30/2013 1:07 PM, Clarence Beeks wrote: > >>>> Do you know why America is awesome? We have the time and privilege > and > >>>> resources to argue > >>>> over replacing a "Y" with a "J". > >>>> > >>>> I can 't wait for the next comet. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Yardena Cohen yardenack(a)gmail.com > >>>> mailto:yardenack@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> Apparently the Sudo folk with admin privileges to the #sudoroom > >>>> IRC channel are jealously resistant to sharing control, > >>>> > >>>>> This is not the case. Jordana and Tunabananas have operator > >>>> privileges and can perform any sort of moderation they desire. If > >>>> you have an issue with the content of #sudoroom, creating a new > >>>> channel will not solve that problem. > >>>> > >>>> I avoided replying to this right away, because I was too angry and > >>>> creeped out over being called "Jordana." He did this once before in > >>>> the IRC while at the same time talking about me with male pronouns > >>>> (he/his) - he knows better, so I took this as targeted harassment, > or > >>>> at the very least disingenuous passive aggressive participation in > the > >>>> trolling games that have been going on lately. He 's apologized to > me > >>>> in private since then but I just want to register that joking about > >>>> hackerspace wars can be fun, but actually gaslighting each other is > >>>> NOT fun. It can be scary, intimidating, and seriously compromise the > >>>> accessibility and diversity of our community. > >>>> > >>>> As to the substance, he 's absolutely right that we have op > privileges, > >>>> but this obscures a few things. For technical background, I > encourage > >>>> people to read about the difference between +F and +o. Your best > guide > >>>> will be logging onto freenode and typing: "/msg chanserv help flags" > >>>> but more general guides are online: > >>>> > >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Modes > >>>> https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml > >>>> > >>>> There 've been conflicts over how to run the channel. Namely: > >>>> > >>>> 1) The person with +F has used his privileges to override the > >>>> decisions of those with only +o, at several times unquieting people > >>>> we 've quieted. The contexts for these were admittedly > controversial > >>>> and fall on ideological fault lines over how to run an IRC channel > in > >>>> general, so I agree 100% with Andrew that a clear IRC policy is the > >>>> way to go. For the record, this has been mostly about using > oppressive > >>>> slurs, and my position has been not to tolerate them very much. We > >>>> happen to have in our community a person who makes it his life 's > work > >>>> to push peoples ' buttons with slurs, and happened to be doing > that IN > >>>> the IRC channel. He 'd also made a habit of typing anatomical > words at > >>>> random times. Form your own opinions. Again, the solution to this > may > >>>> be more about having a clear policy, than who enforces it. > >>>> > >>>> 2) The person with +F has acted in bad faith. He flooded the channel > >>>> with ascii art of an ejaculating swastika and claimed it was an > >>>> "accident", which would be a no-brainer kban in most any channel. > When > >>>> asked to share +F with other people, his response was to vandalize > the > >>>> Sudoroom wiki to say he is the "leader" ( > >>>> http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Community_Structure ). In the meantime, he > >>>> shares +F with a friend of his who hadn 't been to Sudoroom since > >>>> summer 2012 and didn 't even seem to know anybody 's name. They > 'd also > >>>> set the +S (successor) flag for a person who is emphatically NOT a > >>>> Sudoroom member and has even publically criticized Sudoroom. This > sent > >>>> a clear message to the rest of us that we were dealing with people > who > >>>> saw us as a joke; didn 't respect our community; and that there was > >>>> little we could do about it in the short term. That mistrust has > >>>> colored all of the talk over IRC privileges since then, and has only > >>>> escalated since these same people came to our 1/16 meeting and made > it > >>>> significantly longer (by complaining about the meeting being long!), > >>>> and also filled our meeting agenda notes with things like "fuck", > >>>> "poop" and "this is why you guys never hack anything". > >>>> > >>>> I 'm not bitter or anything, just trying to bring out some of the > >>>> subtext here for those not following why things are happening the > way > >>>> they are. > >>>> > >>>> I think the best formulation for IRC rules that everyone can agree > on > >>>> would be something like: we want the IRC channel to accurately > reflect > >>>> the atmosphere at the physical sudoroom space. To me, that nicely > >>>> encompasses all the many behavioral problems and general do 's and > >>>> don 'ts. Honestly the room itself has rarely had the kind of > problems > >>>> the channel has, because people tend to be a lot more decent to each > >>>> other face to face, and because it self-selects for people who care > >>>> about the community. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list > >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org mailto: > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list > >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> sudo-discuss mailing list > >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sudo-discuss mailing list > >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >

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Free Beer for first friday

by hol＠gaskill.com

Hi folks, I still have a few gallons of some hefeweizen I brewed - not my finest but it gets the job done - and my buddy is repoing his kegs from me sunday morning. If anyone has a CO2 tank and a faucet, I will contribute the fuller of the 2 5-gal kegs to the art murmur event and help get it set up, but unfortunately will not be able to stay very late to drink it. Anyone have the equipment to activate this free beer opportunity? Cheers, Hol

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Re: [sudo-discuss] IRC

by Matthew Meier

Just wanted to advertise that I had it as an option. I didn't write any direct control into the bot thus far. But the thing about a bot is that the community could control it. It could, without emotion, act on the IRC policies we program it to know. -Wolfy On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, David Rorex <drorex(a)gmail.com> wrote: > How is the bot any better than using the built in ChanServ features? > And don't you end up with the same problem of deciding who gets to > control the bot? > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Matthew Meier <wolfy(a)wlfy.it> wrote: > > I've also written an IRC bot in python. super basic that can ops people > from > > a list. It works with server messages directly too so i can write it to > > perform any other actions that would be beneficial to our IRC channel and > > policy. > > > > Just throwing that out there. > > > > -Wolfy > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> OKAY, I've added some more to the conflict resolution item on our agenda > >> tonight: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom > >> > >> // Matt > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM, rachel lyra hospodar > >> <rachelyra(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> i think this reply is dismissive and it makes me sadfaced. > >>> > >>> Yardena is talking about much deeper and more insidious, and > potentially > >>> divisive, issues than typos or spelling. If you think her concerns are > >>> boring, then you could easily ignore them and stay silent without being > >>> dismissive and rude. > >>> > >>> Yardena did an awesome job of facilitating meetings for 6 straight > hours > >>> last week... it seems to me like anyone who enjoyed that experience > with her > >>> might take a moment to give a damn about her concerns. > >>> > >>> Multiple folks have suggested it would be good to have a clear IRC > >>> policy. That seems like a good next step. Maybe a wiki page, seeded > with > >>> Yardena's suggestion here? I am not active on the channel so am not > sure if > >>> it makes sense for me to be too involved in that process...? > >>> > >>> R. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 1/30/2013 1:07 PM, Clarence Beeks wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Do you know why America is awesome? We have the time and privilege > and > >>>> resources to argue > >>>> over replacing a "Y" with a "J". > >>>> > >>>> I can't wait for the next comet. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com > >>>> <mailto:yardenack@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> >> Apparently the Sudo folk with admin privileges to the > #sudoroom > >>>> IRC channel are jealously resistant to sharing control, > >>>> > >>>> > This is not the case. Jordana and Tunabananas have operator > >>>> privileges and can perform any sort of moderation they desire. If > >>>> you have an issue with the content of #sudoroom, creating a new > >>>> channel will not solve that problem. > >>>> > >>>> I avoided replying to this right away, because I was too angry and > >>>> creeped out over being called "Jordana." He did this once before > in > >>>> the IRC while at the same time talking about me with male pronouns > >>>> (he/his) - he knows better, so I took this as targeted harassment, > >>>> or > >>>> at the very least disingenuous passive aggressive participation in > >>>> the > >>>> trolling games that have been going on lately. He's apologized to > me > >>>> in private since then but I just want to register that joking > about > >>>> hackerspace wars can be fun, but actually gaslighting each other > is > >>>> NOT fun. It can be scary, intimidating, and seriously compromise > the > >>>> accessibility and diversity of our community. > >>>> > >>>> As to the substance, he's absolutely right that we have op > >>>> privileges, > >>>> but this obscures a few things. For technical background, I > >>>> encourage > >>>> people to read about the difference between +F and +o. Your best > >>>> guide > >>>> will be logging onto freenode and typing: "/msg chanserv help > flags" > >>>> but more general guides are online: > >>>> > >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Modes > >>>> https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml > >>>> > >>>> There've been conflicts over how to run the channel. Namely: > >>>> > >>>> 1) The person with +F has used his privileges to override the > >>>> decisions of those with only +o, at several times unquieting > people > >>>> we've quieted. The contexts for these were admittedly > controversial > >>>> and fall on ideological fault lines over how to run an IRC channel > >>>> in > >>>> general, so I agree 100% with Andrew that a clear IRC policy is > the > >>>> way to go. For the record, this has been mostly about using > >>>> oppressive > >>>> slurs, and my position has been not to tolerate them very much. We > >>>> happen to have in our community a person who makes it his life's > >>>> work > >>>> to push peoples' buttons with slurs, and happened to be doing that > >>>> IN > >>>> the IRC channel. He'd also made a habit of typing anatomical words > >>>> at > >>>> random times. Form your own opinions. Again, the solution to this > >>>> may > >>>> be more about having a clear policy, than who enforces it. > >>>> > >>>> 2) The person with +F has acted in bad faith. He flooded the > channel > >>>> with ascii art of an ejaculating swastika and claimed it was an > >>>> "accident", which would be a no-brainer kban in most any channel. > >>>> When > >>>> asked to share +F with other people, his response was to vandalize > >>>> the > >>>> Sudoroom wiki to say he is the "leader" ( > >>>> http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Community_Structure ). In the meantime, > he > >>>> shares +F with a friend of his who hadn't been to Sudoroom since > >>>> summer 2012 and didn't even seem to know anybody's name. They'd > also > >>>> set the +S (successor) flag for a person who is emphatically NOT a > >>>> Sudoroom member and has even publically criticized Sudoroom. This > >>>> sent > >>>> a clear message to the rest of us that we were dealing with people > >>>> who > >>>> saw us as a joke; didn't respect our community; and that there was > >>>> little we could do about it in the short term. That mistrust has > >>>> colored all of the talk over IRC privileges since then, and has > only > >>>> escalated since these same people came to our 1/16 meeting and > made > >>>> it > >>>> significantly longer (by complaining about the meeting being > long!), > >>>> and also filled our meeting agenda notes with things like "fuck", > >>>> "poop" and "this is why you guys never hack anything". > >>>> > >>>> I'm not bitter or anything, just trying to bring out some of the > >>>> subtext here for those not following why things are happening the > >>>> way > >>>> they are. > >>>> > >>>> I think the best formulation for IRC rules that everyone can agree > >>>> on > >>>> would be something like: we want the IRC channel to accurately > >>>> reflect > >>>> the atmosphere at the physical sudoroom space. To me, that nicely > >>>> encompasses all the many behavioral problems and general do's and > >>>> don'ts. Honestly the room itself has rarely had the kind of > problems > >>>> the channel has, because people tend to be a lot more decent to > each > >>>> other face to face, and because it self-selects for people who > care > >>>> about the community. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list > >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > >>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list > >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> sudo-discuss mailing list > >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sudo-discuss mailing list > >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > >

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Re: [sudo-discuss] IRC

by Yardena Cohen

>> Apparently the Sudo folk with admin privileges to the #sudoroom IRC channel are jealously resistant to sharing control, > This is not the case. Jordana and Tunabananas have operator privileges and can perform any sort of moderation they desire. If you have an issue with the content of #sudoroom, creating a new channel will not solve that problem. I avoided replying to this right away, because I was too angry and creeped out over being called "Jordana." He did this once before in the IRC while at the same time talking about me with male pronouns (he/his) - he knows better, so I took this as targeted harassment, or at the very least disingenuous passive aggressive participation in the trolling games that have been going on lately. He's apologized to me in private since then but I just want to register that joking about hackerspace wars can be fun, but actually gaslighting each other is NOT fun. It can be scary, intimidating, and seriously compromise the accessibility and diversity of our community. As to the substance, he's absolutely right that we have op privileges, but this obscures a few things. For technical background, I encourage people to read about the difference between +F and +o. Your best guide will be logging onto freenode and typing: "/msg chanserv help flags" but more general guides are online: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Modes https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml There've been conflicts over how to run the channel. Namely: 1) The person with +F has used his privileges to override the decisions of those with only +o, at several times unquieting people we've quieted. The contexts for these were admittedly controversial and fall on ideological fault lines over how to run an IRC channel in general, so I agree 100% with Andrew that a clear IRC policy is the way to go. For the record, this has been mostly about using oppressive slurs, and my position has been not to tolerate them very much. We happen to have in our community a person who makes it his life's work to push peoples' buttons with slurs, and happened to be doing that IN the IRC channel. He'd also made a habit of typing anatomical words at random times. Form your own opinions. Again, the solution to this may be more about having a clear policy, than who enforces it. 2) The person with +F has acted in bad faith. He flooded the channel with ascii art of an ejaculating swastika and claimed it was an "accident", which would be a no-brainer kban in most any channel. When asked to share +F with other people, his response was to vandalize the Sudoroom wiki to say he is the "leader" ( http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Community_Structure ). In the meantime, he shares +F with a friend of his who hadn't been to Sudoroom since summer 2012 and didn't even seem to know anybody's name. They'd also set the +S (successor) flag for a person who is emphatically NOT a Sudoroom member and has even publically criticized Sudoroom. This sent a clear message to the rest of us that we were dealing with people who saw us as a joke; didn't respect our community; and that there was little we could do about it in the short term. That mistrust has colored all of the talk over IRC privileges since then, and has only escalated since these same people came to our 1/16 meeting and made it significantly longer (by complaining about the meeting being long!), and also filled our meeting agenda notes with things like "fuck", "poop" and "this is why you guys never hack anything". I'm not bitter or anything, just trying to bring out some of the subtext here for those not following why things are happening the way they are. I think the best formulation for IRC rules that everyone can agree on would be something like: we want the IRC channel to accurately reflect the atmosphere at the physical sudoroom space. To me, that nicely encompasses all the many behavioral problems and general do's and don'ts. Honestly the room itself has rarely had the kind of problems the channel has, because people tend to be a lot more decent to each other face to face, and because it self-selects for people who care about the community.

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sewing hackathon feb 10th?

by rachel lyra hospodar

hey all, as discussed at last week's meeting, we are hoping to have a sewing hackathon on sunday, February 10th. we talked about 1-4pm, but I heard LOLspace is having its anniversary party on that day around 3pm, so I am wondering if people want to have our sewing party on a different day, or earlier so we can head over to LOLspace too? i am proposing 12-3pm instead! thoughts? also, how does one become endowed with the powers to add events to the calendar? or alternately, where does one submit events for the calendar? all hail sudo! R.

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Art Murmur this Friday! Sign up for sudo-art listserv Today!!!

by Eddan Katz

Oakland Art Murmur First Friday is this Friday, Feb. 1. In order to facilitate planning and discussion for this and upcoming Art Murmurs - a new Sudo Room listserv has been created. If you would like to help out, are an artist that wants to display stuff, or are just interested in keeping full track of what's going on, please subscribe at the link below. Today. http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/artmurmur We will keep the sudo-discuss listserv updated on major changes and announcements, but will otherwise focus all displayed art related energy and information on the Art Murmur listserv. Sent from eddan.com -- sent from Eddan.com

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Sharing space tomorrow night? (on 1/31)

by Jack Kern

Hey folks, I wanted to ask the list if there would be any issues with myself and a couple of my friends using a wall in the common area to colab on visuals stuffs tomorrow night? I know there are some meetings happening tomorrow, but we would be relatively quiet. We're just experimenting with how to best coordinate visuals with a couple projectors and possibly test out some projection mapping stuff which requires a bit more space than I have in my apartment. I understand it could be visually distracting and I don't want to step on any toes so please let me know if anyone feels this would be encroaching on the meetings already in place. Thoughts? Thanks in advance, Jack

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sudoShroom

by Morten H. D. Fuglsang

SUDO announce to list -get excited, sudo shroom is rapidly progressing. We're going to grow oyster and shiitake mushrooms in sudoroom, to 1) get some delicious mushrooms, 2) master the growing process, 3) in the future experiement with creating grow kits, water treatment and more. We're on the verge of bringing in the simple gear we need. We've got spores and growing mediums ready. It's going to be an explosion awesome cultures! Let us know if you want to join. Our wiki home: http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudoshroom Make a great day, Morten

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Agenda for tomorrow's Mtg

by Marina Kukso

Hi everyone, Agenda for tomorrow's meeting is here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroomplease add! Draft Feb budget is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At_6qzhQZBX8dHU0bWZaNkxpSkcyeG… If you've paid any membership towards January or would like to list yourself as a member, please do so here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrUsz7z5DodENRRkJpak9MUGJLWV… - Marina

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The Deconstruction 48 Hour Make Event 2/22-2/24

by Marina Kukso

I think we need a message board you guys ;) http://thedeconstruction.org/

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Sound Art Meetup for Feburary

by Gregg Horton

for those interested: https://www.facebook.com/events/439926452746883/ Also we (the sound art meetup group) would love to do an event for art murmur on april 5th, anyone into helping us? it would be performances from the meetup.

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sudo room is open

by Marina Kukso

rest of the day!

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Fwd: [open-science] Citizen Science Open Technical Workshop on Google+ Hangout

by Marina Kukso

hi friends, thought some of you may be interested. - marina ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel Lombraña González <teleyinex(a)gmail.com> Date: 2013/1/28 Subject: [open-science] Citizen Science Open Technical Workshop on Google+ Hangout To: open-science <open-science(a)lists.okfn.org>, okfn-labs < okfn-labs(a)lists.okfn.org> Dear all, It's our pleasure to invite you to join the* Citizen Science Open Technical Workshop* to be held next *Wednesday 30th January 16:00 CET* virtually using Google Hangout. You can attend the meeting and send all your comments in this *Youtube channel <http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbkYEbbo8qMYbA3P5iLanGw> *or this twitter account <http://twitter.com/SOCIETIC_EU>. During 2 hours we'll have expert's talks and open discussions about technologies such as BOINC, Bossa, PyBossa, Furnivall, Ourgrid and others, with the focus on developments, administration issues and use cases. Speakers are: David Anderson (Univ. Berkeley <http://www.ssl.berkeley.edu/>), Daniel Lombraña (CCC <http://www.citizencyberscience.net/>), Francisco Sanz (BIFI <http://bifi.es/>), Eduardo Lostal (Ibercivis<http://www.ibercivis.es/>), Francisco Brasileiro (Univ. Fed. Campina Grande<http://www.lsd.ufcg.edu.br/>), Candida Silva (Univ. Coimbra <http://www.uc.pt/fctuc/dquimica/rbritolab>), Juanjo Molinero (software developer). The workshop is co-organized by the Ibercivis Foundation and the Society as Infrastructure for e-Science <http://www.societic-project.eu/>project funded by the European Commission under FP7. Looking forward to see you there! -- ·························································································································································· http://daniellombrana.es http://www.flickr.com/photos/teleyinex ·························································································································································· Por favor, NO utilice formatos de archivo propietarios para el intercambio de documentos, como DOC y XLS, sino PDF, HTML, RTF, TXT, CSV o cualquier otro que no obligue a utilizar un programa de un fabricante concreto para tratar la información contenida en él. ·························································································································································· _______________________________________________ open-science mailing list open-science(a)lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-science Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/open-science

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Public archives enabled

by Marc Juul

This is a notice that public archives have now been enabled for all @lists.sudoroom.org mailing lists. Previous messages have not been archived, but all messages will be archived starting with this message. -- Juul

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Freedom of Information requests

by Deborah Acosta

Eddan: Here, let me help to make it easier. I've attached a City RFP issued in 2006, the final report issued by the consultant and the final staff report that resulted from four years of work on the city wide wi-fi project. The stories I could tell you. Ultimately, the report found that the City's fiber infrastructure was inadequate to implement such a project - and the City Council didn't "get it" anyway. The next story is about the public/private partnership (City, IP Network and Cisco) that applied for a federal ARRA grant in 2010 to build a $35 million fiber optic network throughout the City. Didn't get the grant. Then my subsequent efforts to pick up the pieces (see attached Executive Summary and powerpoint completed 2 weeks before I left in June 2011). No one has picked up this project since I left. See Mark - you just have to ask the right person!!! Call me if you have questions. Work wasn't wasted - San Leandro has hired me to become its first Chief Innovation Officer to represent Lit San Leandro and create a tech business development strategy in that City. Debbie Deborah V. Acosta Principal, iDOTconnect Co-Chair, 2.Oakland Tel: (510) 508-7926 Email: <mailto:dacosta@iDOTconnect.net> dacosta(a)iDOTconnect.net Web: <http://www.idotconnect.net/> www.iDOTconnect.net Web: <http://www.twopointoakland.com> www.twopointoakland.com Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/TwoPointOak> https://www.facebook.com/TwoPointOak From: Eddan Katz [mailto:eddank@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Eddan Katz Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:57 AM To: mark burdett Cc: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org; Susan Mernit; Deborah Acosta Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Freedom of Information requests Mark - I think it would be useful to bring in Susan Mernit & Deborah Acosta, both of whom are on this list as far as I know, who were around for these discussions at the time. Susan, of Oakland Local, has also had extensive and successful experience with FOI requests with the City of Oakland. sent from eddan.com On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:51 PM, mark burdett <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote: Hmm as would I :) We'll need to figure out which office(s) to send it to, and what type of documents to request. Let me know if you have any ideas re: how to phrase the request - I'll also talk to some lawyer folks. --mark B. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)eddan.com> wrote: I would be interested in learning more about discussions within municipal leadership about previous attempts to introduce Open WiFi to Oakland. On Jan 21, 2013, at 12:06 PM, mark burdett <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote: Hi, if anyone is interested in making a Freedom of Information request to a local/state/federal government agency, I have some surplus credits on https://www.muckrock.com/ - a website which makes it pretty easy to send and track FOI requests online. Just email me off-list and I can submit a request for you. Maybe could be useful for Oakland Wiki or other projects folks are working on? Note, sometimes agencies refuse to send documents and you have to file a lawsuit (but hey, you might win a million dollars 10 years later), or they want to charge exorbitant fees for documents - e.g. https://muckrock.s3.amazonaws.com/foia_files/Ltr_-_1-17-13.pdf - but sometimes you can get what you're looking for free of charge.. --mark B. _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Proposed changes to the Conflict Resolution Process

by Eddan Katz

I've lost track of what we're talking about, but I think we should all be equipped with Sudo Sporks (knife-spork) - the butcher, the baker, and the candle-stick maker especially. If all three are in conflict with each other, by the way, it may curiously be less of a problem and rather the ideal scenario for cooperation. A team of rivals, with deliberate separation of powers, can sometimes be the best way to get through a delicate challenge, like with the 13th amendment for those who've seen Spielberg's Lincoln. sent from eddan.com On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Deno Vichas <deno(a)syncopated.net> wrote: > spoons? but don't most of us fork? > > > > On 1/24/2013 6:23 PM, Anca Mosoiu wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Deno Vichas <deno(a)syncopated.net> wrote: >>> >>> On 1/24/2013 6:13 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote: >>>> I think that, while the Constable should not actually do any mediation, just documentation and communication of what's documented, it makes sense to have someone else act as Constable in a case where the Constable is in the conflict. Defaulting perhaps to an uninvolved volunteer, then Scribe, then Facilitator. >>> but what if the constable, the scribe, and the facilitator are in conflict with each other? >> >> They should duke it out using spoons, rubber chickens, and the world's dwindling supply of Hostess Twinkies. >> >> Anca. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Deno Vichas <deno(a)syncopated.net> wrote: >>> >>> On 1/24/2013 6:13 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote: >>>> I think that, while the Constable should not actually do any mediation, just documentation and communication of what's documented, it makes sense to have someone else act as Constable in a case where the Constable is in the conflict. Defaulting perhaps to an uninvolved volunteer, then Scribe, then Facilitator. >>> but what if the constable, the scribe, and the facilitator are in conflict with each other? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> The Constable should be encouraged, but not required, to come from a race of shapeshifters, or one regarded as gods by another, or to possess either or both of those attributes by other means, and to be brusque of manner and exceptionally shrewd. >>>> >>>> On Jan 24, 2013 5:44 PM, "Yardena Cohen" <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I enthusiastically support a more formal and clearer and well >>>>> constructed conflict resolution process, even though I'm not sure how >>>>> I feel about the details yet, and thank you Andrew for the initial >>>>> brain dump! >>>>> >>>>> I like the idea of a point-person for conflict resolution but worry >>>>> about having just one, because what happens when someone has a >>>>> conflict with them? For instance, I'd volunteer for mediation in some >>>>> conflicts but I have had my own conflicts with people in the Sudoroom >>>>> community so I don't know if I'd be eligible in all cases, nor would >>>>> anybody. >>>>> >>>>> I do like the title "Constable" because it reminds me of Odo in Deep Space Nine. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> -=-=-=- >> Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal >> anca(a)techliminal.com >> M: (510) 220-6660 >> http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Straw Polls

by Eddan Katz

I agree in this particular case and in fact admit to unintentionally participating in stifling a straw poll because my comment was understood as an objection. I was merely trying to introduce a note of caution into asking who would be willing to pay for something and how much, given how some people could really be turned off by that kind of peer pressure, however well-meaning. I do however hesitate to be absolute about it, or unconditional. Bad faith consensus blocking has been discussed at Sudo Room many times, and I would hope that the process we go with could not be exploited as such. sent from eddan.com On Jan 24, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yea, totally, straw polls should be friction free. This would have saved like 15-30 minutes of talking about nothing yesterday. > > -Jehan > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: > I totally agree. > > In addition, I think that there should be some rules around making official proposals, for example that there must reasonable time to bring up clarifying questions and to make comments before bringing it to an official vote. There by making a clear distinction between sraw poll and proposals. > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I was frustrated last night by the repeated suppresion of straw polls, and meta-processing around whether members should even be able to call for a straw poll about specific things. > > I would like to propose that we add to the compact that any meeting participant, when they are on stack, is unconditionally allowed to call for a straw poll. The other participants can then either yea, nay, or abstain. I think this will make the process more smooth. > > -jehan > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Proposed changes to the Conflict Resolution Process

by Eddan Katz

How about Safe Space Steward? Just to keep the process moving, not to judge - as i understand Anthony's suggestion. Such a person would keep issues from escalating to the whole group, and would bring clarity to when it would be appropriate to move from mediation stage to group conflict resolution due to inability to resolve informally. It was my impression that a big chunk of the controversy last night was whether or not alternative solutions were exhausted. If that transition is made more transparent and effective with a 'buck-stops-here' Safe Space Steward functionary position, I imagine people would feel more confident in the process. This person could also make sure that something is done rather than lingering (intentionally or not) when the group does make a decision. I also am in favor of figuring out ways to implement the safe space framework embedded in the kernel of our social norms. Maintaining level-headed discussion on the topic, as has been practiced on this list so far from my perspective, also seems worth preserving somehow structurally. Yardena's draft does seem like a great place to start, as was mentioned again at the meeting last night. sent from eddan.com On Jan 24, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The reason for this is that I think the process is failing not in its substance but just by being extremely disorganized, which has led to the flaws you sought to correct, such as poor communication, confusion about the facts, speculatively assuming intentions and motivations and consent from indirect evidence, gossiping around key questions rather than seeking clear answers from the relevant parties. > Thus there should be someone on point for organizing the process, just as there are for meetings and finances. > > On Jan 24, 2013 4:12 PM, "Anthony Di Franco" <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am not suggesting that there be a specialized mediation group or designated mediator, rather that there be someone responsible for gathering all relevant information about the process together and communicating it to the mediator and conflicting parties, and group if needed, and keeping the process on track. > > On Jan 24, 2013 4:01 PM, "Andrew" <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: > Jehan: putting the situation with Timon aside, if there is good documentation about the steps that have been taken to reach out to both parties, and diligent information gathering has taken place and is documented, then the group should have enough information to the unfortunate step of making a decision on how to proceed without one of the parties present or participating. > > Talking about the situation with Timon in particular, this was not done. Hence the jab at me not being at the last two meetings. I should not have to have been at the last two meetings to meaningfully participate in a conflict resolution that has gotten to the point of needing group intervention. As a specific example I was a singular third party witness to one on the incidents in question, while it is partly my fault for not coming forward with my perspective early in the process, at no time was the conflict well defined enough and the process working enough for me to feel comfortable providing my point of view. I'm also concerned that at no time did either party reach out to me to provide more information. > > Anthony: I disagree. every conflict is unique and there is no way that a specialized mediation group can provide a balanced view on all conflicts. However I do think that it's import to establish regular education sessions around deescalation and conflict resolution. > > --Andrew > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > All of this is excellent and because for the most part these things were are conspicuously lacking, I would like to propose the creation of an additional office to be responsible for doing all these things, including as well stewarding the mediator and conflicting parties through the resolution process, documenting clearly and concisely that this is done and collecting together all relevant communications, and informing relevant parties at the appropriate steps in the process including the whole group when appropriate. Additionally this officeholder would co-facilitate with the facilitator during whole-group conflict resolution, prepare a written background brief for the whole group with all relevant documentation, and answer points of information that come up. > I propose to call this the office of the Judge Advocate General, and were it to be created, I would volunteer for it. > > On Jan 24, 2013 2:54 PM, "Andrew" <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: > Hi, > > This is kind of a brain dump about our conflict resolution process. The proposal is that the following ideas be placed in to the Articles of Association under conflict resolution or in a addendum that deals specifically with conflicts. Mainly I'd just like to get the meta conversation started with the goal of making the sudo room the conflict resolution process go smoother. > > 1. All steps that have been taken in resolution to a specific conflict should be documented. Beginning with a full account of complaints (if any). > > 2. While we can't guarantee objectivity it is important that discussions during conflict resolution revolve around problems and facts and not people and assumptions. > > 3. State explicitly that the goal of conflict resolution is to build mutual respect and understanding. Every step in the process is taken with this goal in mind. > > I would also propose that while every conflict is unique, the following basic steps are strongly suggested as a framework to resolution whether with a mediator, between individuals, or if the group needs to intervene: > > Set The Scene: Establish the goals and values surrounding conflict resolution at Sudo Room. > > Gather Information: Gather facts about the situation from both sides and any third parties who have relevant information. Identify the issues. Listen. > > Brain Storm Solutions: Both parties are given a chance to come up with possible solutions to the defined problems. > > Negotiate Solutions: Come to a win-win solution that takes in to account the interests of both parties. If this is not possible the group must intervene and vote on a possible solution brought up in the brain storming process based on the voting schema already in the Articles of Association. > > > Thanks for reading, > Andrew > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Freedom of Information requests

by Eddan Katz

I would be interested in learning more about discussions within municipal leadership about previous attempts to introduce Open WiFi to Oakland. On Jan 21, 2013, at 12:06 PM, mark burdett <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote: > Hi, if anyone is interested in making a Freedom of Information request to a local/state/federal government agency, I have some surplus credits on https://www.muckrock.com/ - a website which makes it pretty easy to send and track FOI requests online. Just email me off-list and I can submit a request for you. > > Maybe could be useful for Oakland Wiki or other projects folks are working on? > > Note, sometimes agencies refuse to send documents and you have to file a lawsuit (but hey, you might win a million dollars 10 years later), or they want to charge exorbitant fees for documents - e.g. https://muckrock.s3.amazonaws.com/foia_files/Ltr_-_1-17-13.pdf - but sometimes you can get what you're looking for free of charge.. > > --mark B. > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Farm Hack - sudo chapter? :)

by Eddan Katz

+1 (minus the growing up on a farm part) On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Michael Scroggins <michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I grew up on a farm, so maybe this is nostalgia speaking, but I am also interested. > > Anthony Di Franco wrote: >> >> I met a farmhack person at a work event Monday evening (I work at Clearbon which is Slow Money and Slow Food affiliated) and she suggested upon hearing about sudo room that sudo room have a look. And several of us are of the Open Source Ecology (.org) bent. >> >> So, yes. >> >> On Jan 24, 2013 10:24 AM, "Marina Kukso" <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> this seems relevant to the interests of our community! >> >> http://www.youngfarmers.org/practical/farm-hack/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Visiting from Chicago 1/26-1/29, making pick and place machine

by Eddan Katz

Hi Jeff - I'll be around and would be interested in hearing about what you guys are up to in Chicago. Would you be cool with giving a demo or informal talk while you're out here? sent from eddan.com On Jan 19, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Jeff McAlvay <jmcalvay(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I’m working on an open hardware, open software circuit board assembly machine (a pick and place) for DIYers with some folks at Chicago’s Pumping Station: One hackerspace. > > I’m going to be in the Bay Area for an electronics design conference 1/26-1/29. While I'm in town, I would like to get input on the machine, see your space, and meet folks doing automated manufacturing projects. > > Let me know if you want to meet up and what time would be best to stop by the space. > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Sudoroom, Do you want a working color Laser network printer ?

by Jesper Jurcenoks

Hi Sudoroom. I am on my way downtown tonight to drop off some promised Rackservers. We have a Konica Minolta Network Color Laser printer with Toner, only problem with it is that rubber on the paper pickup is getting old, so it won't always pickup a new sheet of paper. Are you interested ? Will there be someone in the sudo room tonight to receive the Unuser rack-servers ? -- Jesper "JJ" Jurcenoks Don't print this email - Save a tree.

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Friday Filosophy, 1/18; The Imperative of Responsibility

by Eddan Katz

Dear Sudo folk - A reminder that Friday Filosophy will start at noon again today at Sudo Room. This week we’ll be talking about the Imperative of Responsibility. The filo dough entree today will again be Spanakopita from Bacheeso's on Grand (http://www.bacheesos.net/). Last week we focused on how we would go about describing the shift from the industrial economy to the knowledge economy. We started by watching the "Fear the Boom and Bust" video clip - a Hayek vs. Keynes Rap Anthem, at http://youtu.be/d0nERTFo-Sk. We also read an excerpt (included at the bottom) from Joel Mokyr - The Gifts of Athena. We ended with a pretty useful question - How do we know, or rather how should we demonstrate, that openness is in itself good? We consistently assume that open means good, but it’s actually used as descriptive of engineering principles and even of entire systems, but without any explicit sort of moral claim. Though we didn’t arrive at a confident answer at the time, we were able to conclude though that best practices for Sudo Room initiatives would be at the intersection of -- (1) openness as a more efficient means of developing technology; and (2) openness in terms of transparency for democratic reasons. To start us off somewhere on the relationship between openness and ethics, I’ve suggested below an excerpt from Hans Jonas, The Imperative of Responsibility. We can of course, as is now traditional, go with whatever else people want to talk about as well. -sent from eddan.com --- Friday Filosophy, 1/18; The Imperative of Responsibility Knowledge, under these circumstances, becomes a prime duty beyond anything claimed for it heretofore, and the knowledge must be commensurate with the causal scale of our action. The fact that it cannot really be thus commensurate, that is, that the predictive knowledge falls behind the technical knowledge that nourishes our power to act, itself assumes ethical importance. The gap between the ability to foretell and the power to act creates a novel moral problem. With the latter so superior to the former, recognition of ignorance becomes the obverse of the duty to know and thus part of the ethics that must govern the evermore necessary self-policing of our outsized might. No previous ethics had to consider the global condition of human life and the far-off future, even existence, of the race. These now being an issue demands, in brief, a new conception of duties and rights, for which previous ethics and metaphysics provide not even the principles, let alone a ready doctrine. [1. The Altered Nature of Human Action; III. The New Dimensions of Responsibility; (2) The New Role of Knowledge in Morality] Hans Jonas, The Imperative of Responsibility: In Search of an Ethics for the Technological Age (1984). [http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Imperative_of_Responsibility.html?i…] --- Friday Filosophy, 1/11; Post-Industrial Society How should we think of resistance to new knowledge? Knowledge systems are self-organizing systems that in many ways can be thought of in evolutionary terms. The idea of self-organizing decentralized systems, or "catallaxy" as Hayek has called it, is one of the most powerful and influential ideas of the modern age ... Outside economics, self-organizing systems appear throughout our social system. Language, for instance, is such a system, as are science, technology, the arts, manners, and so on. These systems are all information systems that are organized in a particular fashion. They are, in effect, conventions, and as such self-replicating. Conventions are not chosen; they evolve (Sugden, 1989). Ex ante, an infinite number of ways of organizing the information can be imagined, but once the system settles on a Nash equilibrium, certain rules are observed that give the system its coherence. Ideally we would like it to be an ESS (evolutionary stable strategy) in which no single individual or knowledge systems, they do change, although it is possible for such systems to lapse eventually into complete stasis. Joel Mokyr - The Gifts of Athena: Historical Origins of the Knowledge Economy (2002), pg. 221 [http://books.google.com/books?id=ivmaEn7vTT0C&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221&dq=%22how+…]

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Goldrush Operations Research Pod (GORP)

by Eddan Katz

Dear Sudo folk - In anticipation of the Oakland Wiki Edit-a-thon this Sunday -- 12-1p: Brown Couch Cafe noontime meet-n-greet 1-5p: Oakland History Room, 2nd floor of Oakland Public Library (main branch) -- eddan.com is pleased to announce the first meeting of the Goldrush Operations Research Pod (GORP), which will take place immediately following the aforementioned event. After the Edit-a-Thon wraps up, those interested in taking part in the exploratory committee to establish GORP will all head on over to Lake Chalet for food, drink, and a great view of Lake Merritt (http://www.thelakechalet.com/), which is about half a block from the Oakland Library. As one possible branch of research focus, I'd like to propose seeking historical evidence of the extent of violence in those early Wild West days of the California Goldrush. If you were to base your knowledge of what it was like then entirely on movies and TV shows, you'd likely conclude that it was a very violent place. You'd think that everyone always felt in danger of being robbed or bullied, that justice was meted out instantaneously by shoot-out, and it would seem like there couldn't have been much time left over for gold mining. Turns out that this period was relatively peaceful, especially during the first year before the hoards came from all over the world. When you think about it, the cost to the miners of forming agreements could not have been so high that it was more economical to compete through fighting than to collaborate and divvy up the spoils. John R. Umbeck, in A Theory of Property Rights: With Application to the California Gold Rush (1981), works through the choices that these gold-miners had in entering into a contract with one another rather than resorting to the use of violence. He breaks down this process of contract formation into 3 closely related, yet logically distinct choices: Individuals must decide whether or not they want to enter into a contract with others. If they decide to form some contractual arrangement, the next decision is what rights or constraints they will place on resource use. Finally, they must agree on how these rights will be distributed or which individuals will be allowed the rights to use and derive income from the resources. He argues that you can actually come to an equilibrium of relative peace when most of everyone's efforts go into productively mining for gold through the prudent administration of property rights. In order to maximize the chance of these optimal conditions, the total amount of mining land would, he concludes, best be divided evenly among competing miners. This is basically the theoretical model supporting the evidence of sharing contracts in the historical analysis of early gold miner agreements. From a wealth-maximizing reasonable person point of view, he suggests that all exclusive rights are ultimately based on the threat or the use of violence. I think there's something sadly true about that. Whenever a group of individuals agrees to some system by which exclusive rights to scarce resources will be rationed, they are implicitly agreeing not to use violence. Even when one excludes the use of weapons, the contract must provide for the use of violence in order to punish any member who does not follow the rules; and it must maintain the rights of members against attacks from non-members. If the group is not willing or able to use violence in either of these two situations, their property rights over resources will be lost to those who are. To clarify - by violence, Umbeck means the labor time allocated to the use of physical force against another miner. So this isn't just about gun fighting and theft, but rather also includes such activity as building walls for protection or even making threats to allocate labor to these uses. For those graphically inclined, the diagram below from his chapter on Violence and Property Rights Contracts might make more sense. Miners X and Y are each willing to allocate AQ/BA labor to exclude other miners from a marginal unit of land. Miner Z, with no land, is willing to use DO/O labor to exclude X or Y from the unit of land. The horizontal axis measures the ratio of land to labor as inputs in the mining process. The vertical axis measures the marginal product of land (∂G/∂h) and labor (∂G/∂L). Ignoring any work-leisure tradeoffs, this individual has a fixed amount of labor (L) that he is willing to allocate to mining in this time period. Suppose ∂G/∂h = AC = 10 gold units; ∂G/∂L = AB - 1 unit. An extra unit of land would increase the miner's wealth by 10 units of gold, while the extra labor unit would increase it by only 1. He would be willing to allocate up to 10 labor units to violence if it would get him an additional unit of land. Equilibrium will only be reached when X, Y, and Z all have the same land/labor ratio, OP. Here, they are each willing to allocate PT/PS labor to violence, so any additional conflict will result in a draw. With OP land and L labor, each miner will be producing ODTP units of gold. sent from eddan.com

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