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Re: [omni-consensus] Repayment of $7500 loan from Safer DIY - due November 1st

by Jake

speaking for myself, I feel that it would be wrong for us to delay paying this amount even though we would like to have more money in order to be in a better position to get a loan, etspeaking for myself, I feel that it would be wrong for us to delay paying this amount even though we would like to have more money in order to be in a better position to get a loan, etc. It's just not our money. It belongs to Safer DIY and we've been holding onto it. It's not much different from if we were to go out and steal it out of their account because we happened to have access to it, in my opinion. So as an individual, i'm in favor of paying it immediately. I'll put this question on the Sudoroom meeting agenda so that I can get a proper representative position from Sudoroom. If the above argument is not enough to convince whoever is reading this, I'd like to point out that Omni wouldn't exist right now if it weren't for the significant contributions of Sarah and David, well above and beyond what this actual loan pays for. Considering we have a fire inspection coming up, we really would be better off if we had a better relationship with them and were able to ask for help with it. -jake On Tue, 4 Oct 2022, Yardena Cohen wrote: > Sarah, we really appreciate DIY's help and good faith here. We > understand you cannot extend the maturity date. If Omni does fall > apart and lose our building, we want you to be first in line among our > creditors for getting paid back. You WILL get paid back, but perhaps a > bit late and with 6% interest. I think we all know that, and > maintaining this firm date is part of making sure you get paid back. > Unfortunately, this means Omni may be in default to you for a few > months. > > Please know this is not personal, it's not because we don't value or > respect you. I really hate the awkwardness of defaulting on a debt to > our friends. I do hope that you all understand and respect our > reasoning in turn. > > That said: Omni folks, we need to make a decision about this. We have > enough unrestricted funds to cover this, but not by much. Paying DIY > back on time would come with a steep opportunity cost - we'd have much > less flexibility and much less to reinvest into shoring up our loan > application. In particular, we could be using it to build more rooms, > draw higher-paying events, and pay more people to fill major gaps in > our finance & bookkeeping teams. > > We also have money in "restricted funds": 13k left over from the 2018 > kitchen fundraiser and 23k from the current gofundme which we > explicitly told people would go towards the principle of our $1M loan. > We could probably make legal/moral/ethical arguments in favor of > spending either of those funds towards DIY. But I think that's > something the whole community should be clear-eyed about. Thoughts? > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 11:34 AM Sarah Lockhart <sarah.ee.el(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear Omni Comrades, >> >> I wanted to remind you, prior to the upcoming delegates meeting on Thursday, that this loan is due in less than a month. While we (collectively) did not stipulate a schedule of regular payments, we (Safer DIY) had hoped that Omni would have begun making payments by now. We also have received no communication about this debt, and no payment arrangements have been made yet. >> >> The $7500 was fronted by Safer DIY at a time when Omni's cash flow was more limited. Safer DIY did so in good faith and solidarity. Please put the repayment of this loan on the agenda for the upcoming delegates meeting, and let me and David Keenan know when we can expect payment. >> >> We expect to be paid in full, the full $7500, by the due date of November 1, as per the attached promissory note, signed by Omni. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Sarah Lockhart >> _______________________________________________ >> consensus mailing list >> consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus > _______________________________________________ > consensus mailing list > consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus >

3 years, 9 months

[omni-consensus] Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal

by Jake Watters

Hi Sudoroom, THIS IS IMPORTANT! The following proposal was brought to the delegate's meeting a couple of weeks ago, and tonight in the meeting it was discussed. Since I had not been attending delegates meetings for some time, I failed to forward this proposal to this list so that sudoroom could discuss our position on it. Since I am a Sudoroom member, I voiced my position through our delegate (which is me) that I am against giving a committee the power to levy fines against omni collectives/tenants/people, especially since we have not tried a process of simple communication between a cleaning collective and representatives of collectives. Ultimately the other Omni delegates felt strongly about passing the proposal, but they were willing to remove the provision giving the new Committee the ability to "impose a monetary penalty" on groups or individuals they determined were guilty of being messy. The proposal was partially passed as seen here: https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Event:2022/09/15_Delegates#cleanliness yar: if we approve the proposal but delay the fine enforcement until after our october 6 meeting, and require another affirmative consensus decision on october 6 to give them that fine enforcement power? jake: is ok with that CONSENSUS: YES (CCL/Patrik ANV/Silver SUDOROOM/Jake FNB/Helen CLP/Billy MOP/Jacqi) ABSTAIN: (SUDOMESH/Camber) BLOCK: (none), PASSES! I personally think it's unreasonable to trust a newly formed Committee with the power to, for example, determine that Sudoroom is too messy and issue "fines" of $50 per day until they feel that we have satisfied their standard, and I'm glad that the other delegates were willing to remove this provision even though they were technically capable of overriding sudoroom's objections. This provision is set to be reintroduced at the Delegate's meeting on OCTOBER 6TH and Sudoroom needs to discuss our position, in order for our delegate to represent us at that meeting. Please see the link below for the proposed text of the new Committee (same link is in the meeting notes above) and discuss the provision that's slated for October 6th Delegate's meeting. -jake ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2022 06:08:55 +0000 From: deskhandle <deskhandle(a)protonmail.com> To: consensus <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org> Subject: [omni-consensus] Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/GcTDiTZqA3ao5+6hbaAuobdc/ At the delegate's meeting tonight, we discussed a proposal formulated by the Events team which is linked above. This is a draft proposal and instructions for how to suggest edits are on top of the doc. Please do not edit the content directly. In short, it exists to create a new committee which will oversee the cleanliness of the space, design and implement new systems to do so, including a monetary penalty for any space left out of order for both shared spaces and tenant spaces. If you're able to be an active and dedicated participant in that committee, please join us on Slack. This committee would also be able to spend some amount of Omni funds to clean the space regularly and keep it at a level of cleanliness that must be maintained for Omni to exist. Please check this out and get back with any thoughts, concerns, suggestions before it's voted on at the next delegate's meeting. Billy Community Liberation Programs

3 years, 9 months

WNB coding night

by Juliana A

Hello, this is happening tonight! Sorry, I forgot to post here recently but the night has been happening every Monday! Been doing a better job at posting on IG and our Slack group! BTW, if you identify as woman/nb and want to join the Slack group, here it is: https://join.slack.com/t/wnbcodingnight/shared_invite/zt-1h7dndnc2-ATl1XnMO… ALSO, you reading this msg: can you promote WNB night in whatever social media/email group you use so we can get more people? https://sudoroom.org/events/wnb-coding-night-2022-10-03/ -- julianaferreira(a)gmail.com she/her

3 years, 9 months

Sunday Open Shop is on tomorrow! 2 - 6 PM

by Andrew R Gross

Come by Sudo Room tomorrow, *Sunday October 2nd from 2 - 6 PM* to build, hack, or just hang out! (Also, come see the difference after another big clean-up!) If you have any questions or need help getting in, call my number below. *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)* 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>

3 years, 9 months

cleanup operations in progress

by Jake

last night (wednesday night) Kent and Eric and I worked for hours to clean up and organize the space, and we cleared up the whole floor area in the southeast corner near the telescreen. Kent fixed a nice power supply and cleaned up the whole workbench that has the microscopes on it, and we'll be adding more carwardine (anglepoise) lamps there. we organized the sterilite bins on the shelves and after another round of that, it will be time to decorate them with rainbow colors; I ordered $50 worth of 10 colors of 1" wide masking tape, and when we're done the wall will basically be a rainbow of bins. If anything is out of place it will be pretty obvious. we decided that the metal sliding chair assembly under the desk in the southwest corner is just huge and taking up space, and should be scrapped. If wants it please take it home, otherwise we'll get rid of it soon. the next area to be cleaned up will be the "balcony" at the top of the stairs, there's a lot of stuff there that needs to get put away and organized and ewasted and i'll work on that with others, and then we can add lighting and tables and outlets there and make it a nice place to hang out. When the cold weather season comes, it will be nice for people to have a place to hang out where the temperature is naturally higher. anyway things are happening and the space is getting nicer. Eventually we'll have everything off the floor and we'll be able to run a roomba full time keeping the dust off, and Yar can finally epoxy the whole floor. let me know if you want to help! Or just jump in and make things better. -jake

3 years, 9 months

Re: [omni-consensus] [omni-events] Fw: Oakland Defense Shield Storage (fwd)

by Jake

At the next delegates' meeting we will discuss renting storage to a group for a bunch of riot shields. Hopefully this means we can get a bit more money coming in to Omni each month and put some space to use that's presently just full of clutter. If anyone has feelings about this proposal we should talk about it. I am the sudoroom delegate so sudoroom should tell me how it feels about this. And also about the Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal! -jake ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 04:03:44 +0000 From: geraldoamador <geraldoamador(a)proton.me> To: Jacqi Galea <jacqigalea(a)gmail.com> Cc: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>, consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org, commons <events(a)lists.omnicommons.org>, Banasidhe <banasidhe(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [omni-consensus] [omni-events] Fw: Oakland Defense Shield Storage Hi y'all, I appreciate all the work and brainstorming we have provided to discuss providing space. I think it would be beneficial to discuss this at the next delegates meeting as it relates to providing space for rent. It would be good to hear from other collectives about this and see where we can provide the space. Best, Geraldo Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/) secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Wednesday, September 28th, 2022 at 8:35 PM, Jacqi Galea <jacqigalea(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey everyone, > I think we can definitely create space for them, we’d need to move some stuff around like Yar said but I feel like it’s definitely doable and would be happy to help. > > Jacqi > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:16 PM Yardena Cohen via events <events(a)lists.omnicommons.org> wrote: > >> How accessible do they need to be? Omni's got some pretty >> out-of-the-way areas which I think we could justify for $100/month or >> less. Like the far-southwest area under the stage, or some of the >> crawl spaces under the ticket booth. This could help pay for >> rat-proofing those spaces also, and we could carefully wrap them in >> bags to protect them from dust/etc. And of course we could display >> some of them too. Curious what other omni people think. >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:07 PM Banasidhe <banasidhe(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, but we're looking for storage. These are functional and were made to give away for community self defense, not sell. It's also not just decorated shields. Many are in various states of assembly, some need repair. There are also art and deco supplies for builds. Stencils, paint, drop cloths, padding and rope. It's currently in a 5x7x10 storage that's reasonably full. >>> >>> Happy to pay something, not looking for a free spot, but something cheaper than $245/month. I could handle $140 a month, but they just almost doubled our rent, which is a bit out of my budget. >>> >>> >>> With Love, Light, Laughter, Peace and Equity for All, >>> >>> >>> Banasidhe (BAN-shee) >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 14:18 Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Or what if we sold them? Do we think that people would buy any of >>>> these to display in their homes? Maybe the sales could go toward >>>> paying back the cost of 2 years of storage. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 10:18 PM Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> 50 is a lot! I was hoping it was like, 10-15 or something. :/ >>>>> >>>>> I think it's probably not practical to display all of them, and I'd be >>>>> reluctant for Omni to commit to more storage that isn't related to our >>>>> existing operations, which are already strapped for space for >>>>> essential tools and equipment. Especially if nobody wants to pay for >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe we can take some of them to display, and other spaces can take some too? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 12:35 PM Michaela Budde >>>>> <michaelabudde87(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> There are about 50 shields they’re all the same size the back has a strap for a handles and that’s how you could hang it up on nails. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 2:23 AM Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How many shields total? Are they all the same size? What are the backs >>>>>>> made of? In principle I'm in favor of displaying these on the walls >>>>>>> for free, but would like more details so we can figure out the best >>>>>>> place to put them and make sure it actually works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 1:13 PM geraldoamador <geraldoamador(a)proton.me> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See forwarded message below! We should discuss this next week at the delegates meeting and get back to them about providing space, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------- Original Message ------- >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 6th, 2022 at 10:54 PM, Michaela Budde via events <events(a)lists.omnicommons.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We're a part of a group that distributes and builds defensive shields, mostly active during the height of protests. We have protective gear and shields that need cheaper storage since the current space doubled the price and just one of our members has been taking on the cost. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It sounds like all that is needed is 5 by 10 feet. The shields are also beautifully painted and could be used as some rad decor on Omni's walls. (image attached) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can we nail down which space could be designated for this storage and a good day to move the things in? From my understanding, this storage would be free of cost. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Micha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Michaela Budde >>>>>>>> (they/she/he) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> consensus mailing list >>>>>>>> consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org >>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Michaela Budde >>>>>> (they/she/he) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >> -- >> events mailing list >> events(a)lists.omnicommons.org >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/events >> >> The "events" list replaces the former "commons" and "booking" lists.

3 years, 9 months

selling unneeded test equipment from sudoroom

by Jake

I posted a bunch of our test equipment that we never use and never will use, on craigslist for sale to benefit sudoroom. https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/d/oakland-hewlett-packard-tektronix-la… of course sudoroom members get first dibs but these things are only taking up space and are still just barely valuable enough to be able to sell rather than sadly simply scrap them. they were once many thousands of dollars worth, but today most can be replaced with a simple USB stick. There is no functionality lost in our hackerspace by eliminating this equipment, we already have more modern hardware that works. -jake

3 years, 9 months

tektronix 2430A oscilloscope

by Jake

free to sudoroom members! https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/d/oakland-tektronix-2430a-digital-stor…

3 years, 9 months

lucrative offering to sudoroom

by Jake

the other night someone introduced by Joule (sudoroom member) offered to give Sudoroom $2000 per month if we provide space for their vacuum chamber and related equipment. We gave them our bank routing/account numbers and if the money appears, we should make the space near the robot control cabinet available so it can be set up. We will be able to use the equipment ourselves when they're not using it. This is a great opportunity to access money that would otherwise go to waste, and we can increase our monthy contribution to Omni while this is happening, which will help us keep the building. -jake

3 years, 9 months

meeting, organizing and cleaning tonight

by Jake

A few of us are gathering at sudoroom tonight to organize and clean! and if enough of us get together we can talk about things too like a meeting? About the Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal? -jake

3 years, 9 months

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